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ebruner 10/10/2022 1:39pm
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Dave_Camp wrote:
Agree- not sure why they don't make a few more options. I wish they made an Aggressor with DH casing for a faster rolling tire. Specialized...
Agree- not sure why they don't make a few more options. I wish they made an Aggressor with DH casing for a faster rolling tire.



Specialized Eliminator Grid Gravity T7/T9 is another good option for a heavy duty but still pedalable rear tire.
3rd'd. Sometimes, I feel like the dual compound actually grips a bit better too. Obviously, 3c maxx grip and maxx terra are going to grip better if they have a surface to dig into... but once things turn to silt, kitty litter or deep loose over hard, the DC treads/lugs seem to penetrate that stuff better to dig in.

Maybe it's me just justifying running them so that I get more then 3-4 weeks out of a rear tire...
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Losifer wrote:
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice… So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler...
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice…

So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler had shots of Chris Kovarik’s Intense DH prototype with IFR livery- could be confirmation of Dak saying the production frames would be announced soon!

thought they would also be testing a 6-bar HP layout? so sounds strange that there will be a new DH bike on sale soon.
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Erwan_Ghesquiere 10/11/2022 1:40am
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Dave_Camp wrote:
Agree- not sure why they don't make a few more options. I wish they made an Aggressor with DH casing for a faster rolling tire. Specialized...
Agree- not sure why they don't make a few more options. I wish they made an Aggressor with DH casing for a faster rolling tire.



Specialized Eliminator Grid Gravity T7/T9 is another good option for a heavy duty but still pedalable rear tire.
ebruner wrote:
3rd'd. Sometimes, I feel like the dual compound actually grips a bit better too. Obviously, 3c maxx grip and maxx terra are going to grip better...
3rd'd. Sometimes, I feel like the dual compound actually grips a bit better too. Obviously, 3c maxx grip and maxx terra are going to grip better if they have a surface to dig into... but once things turn to silt, kitty litter or deep loose over hard, the DC treads/lugs seem to penetrate that stuff better to dig in.

Maybe it's me just justifying running them so that I get more then 3-4 weeks out of a rear tire...
In my experience, aside from absolutely terrible rubber, rubber only really matter when things get wet and hard surfaces, like rocks, roots and wood. I've had excellent results with DHF in 2C while really not expecting it, but only rode it in dry conditions in which it offered precise grip on hardpack and no problems either on dry roots and rocks. When things get soft and need the tire to dig in (powder, loam, mub, etc) thread pattern is the most important factor which usually means longer knobs, in that case a stiffer rubber can work better as the blocs won't deform as much as with soft rubber like 3C maxxgrip. So a Shorty with 2C would be great for summer for instance if the terrain you have is loose. I'd stay away from it when thing get wet tho, or maybe as a back tire.
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Maxxis also supply there team riders with 2.5 DHR, so if they have the mould why not release them to the public?
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Losifer wrote:
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice… So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler...
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice…

So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler had shots of Chris Kovarik’s Intense DH prototype with IFR livery- could be confirmation of Dak saying the production frames would be announced soon!

krabo83 wrote:
thought they would also be testing a 6-bar HP layout? so sounds strange that there will be a new DH bike on sale soon.
I thought the same, but on the B Practice podcast, Dak essentially said they would be announcing the production DH soon.
ARonBurgundy 10/11/2022 8:56am
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Dave_Camp wrote:
^^ thanks forum Dad.




Anyone seen this- DUAL Compound, DH Casing DHR II:

TB00368500

MSRP $80

https://shop.maxxis.com/collections/mountain/products/minion-dhr-ii?var…


That's a "bike park" spec Maxxis rolled out this summer. Longer wearing compound and a wire bead help bring the price down a bit. Mostly aimed at rental fleets or park rats trying to save a bit of cash.

DHR is available now but Assegai and DHF are on the way.
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Noeserd 10/11/2022 11:39am
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80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf?

like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks


https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-…


Also i'm not sure if you guys have this ones over there but it seems usa is a bit crazy over tire prices

https://www.bike-components.de/en/Schwalbe/Magic-Mary-Performance-ADDIX…
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pinkrobe 10/11/2022 12:30pm
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Noeserd wrote:
80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf? like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-27-5-x-2-4-tubeless-folding-black Also i'm not sure if you...
80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf?

like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks


https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-…


Also i'm not sure if you guys have this ones over there but it seems usa is a bit crazy over tire prices

https://www.bike-components.de/en/Schwalbe/Magic-Mary-Performance-ADDIX…
The DH34 Bike Park tire is $65 CAD, but I don't think it was ever in stock this summer. I've been trying to order a pair since March.
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LukeD 10/11/2022 12:36pm
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Noeserd wrote:
80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf? like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-27-5-x-2-4-tubeless-folding-black Also i'm not sure if you...
80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf?

like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks


https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-…


Also i'm not sure if you guys have this ones over there but it seems usa is a bit crazy over tire prices

https://www.bike-components.de/en/Schwalbe/Magic-Mary-Performance-ADDIX…
pinkrobe wrote:
The DH34 Bike Park tire is $65 CAD, but I don't think it was ever in stock this summer. I've been trying to order a pair...
The DH34 Bike Park tire is $65 CAD, but I don't think it was ever in stock this summer. I've been trying to order a pair since March.
I don't think I've seen any of the Michelin stuff in stock in almost a year
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Zaeius 10/11/2022 1:17pm
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Dave_Camp wrote:
^^ thanks forum Dad.




Anyone seen this- DUAL Compound, DH Casing DHR II:

TB00368500

MSRP $80

https://shop.maxxis.com/collections/mountain/products/minion-dhr-ii?var…


ARonBurgundy wrote:
That's a "bike park" spec Maxxis rolled out this summer. Longer wearing compound and a wire bead help bring the price down a bit. Mostly aimed...
That's a "bike park" spec Maxxis rolled out this summer. Longer wearing compound and a wire bead help bring the price down a bit. Mostly aimed at rental fleets or park rats trying to save a bit of cash.

DHR is available now but Assegai and DHF are on the way.
Are these new bike park DH tires 29" only?

I have been running the single compound DHF with wire bead (TB85976600 - only available in 27.5) for 60+ days at WBP over the last 3 seasons on the rear and it has held up incredibly well. It is sketchy in wet tech but paired with a Maxxgrip up front it is a decent compromise for those on the frugal side and is great on the jump lines regardless of conditions.
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metadave 10/11/2022 3:30pm
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Noeserd wrote:
80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf? like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-27-5-x-2-4-tubeless-folding-black Also i'm not sure if you...
80 bucks for a bike park spec tire wtf?

like when in stock this tire is around 50 bucks


https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/products/michelin-dh34-bike-park-tire-…


Also i'm not sure if you guys have this ones over there but it seems usa is a bit crazy over tire prices

https://www.bike-components.de/en/Schwalbe/Magic-Mary-Performance-ADDIX…
pinkrobe wrote:
The DH34 Bike Park tire is $65 CAD, but I don't think it was ever in stock this summer. I've been trying to order a pair...
The DH34 Bike Park tire is $65 CAD, but I don't think it was ever in stock this summer. I've been trying to order a pair since March.
I know it just started landing finally in the shop I work at in can so they should be around again.
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Javigutz 10/12/2022 5:02am
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Hi guys!

Do anyone knows any update to the possibly upcoming Ibis (Ripmo/long travel bike)?
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ARonBurgundy 10/12/2022 5:54am
10/12/2022 5:54am
Dave_Camp wrote:
^^ thanks forum Dad.




Anyone seen this- DUAL Compound, DH Casing DHR II:

TB00368500

MSRP $80

https://shop.maxxis.com/collections/mountain/products/minion-dhr-ii?var…


ARonBurgundy wrote:
That's a "bike park" spec Maxxis rolled out this summer. Longer wearing compound and a wire bead help bring the price down a bit. Mostly aimed...
That's a "bike park" spec Maxxis rolled out this summer. Longer wearing compound and a wire bead help bring the price down a bit. Mostly aimed at rental fleets or park rats trying to save a bit of cash.

DHR is available now but Assegai and DHF are on the way.
Zaeius wrote:
Are these new bike park DH tires 29" only? I have been running the single compound DHF with wire bead (TB85976600 - only available in 27.5)...
Are these new bike park DH tires 29" only?

I have been running the single compound DHF with wire bead (TB85976600 - only available in 27.5) for 60+ days at WBP over the last 3 seasons on the rear and it has held up incredibly well. It is sketchy in wet tech but paired with a Maxxgrip up front it is a decent compromise for those on the frugal side and is great on the jump lines regardless of conditions.
At the moment just 29, but at least the DHR in 27.5 is likely.

As for pricing, $80 is full MSRP, you should be able to find them at shops/online for less.
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Losifer 10/12/2022 9:38am
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BTW, Spomer has Jordie Cortes from Fox live on the YouTube channel right now
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grambo 10/12/2022 11:34am
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Losifer wrote:
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice… So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler...
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice…

So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler had shots of Chris Kovarik’s Intense DH prototype with IFR livery- could be confirmation of Dak saying the production frames would be announced soon!

I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of the 2022 season when Gwin/Dak were on the podium? He's had that custom painted one all season in Whistler, seems to alternate between it and his M29 (also with a sick custom paint job from Fresh Paints).
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Losifer 10/12/2022 11:56am
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Losifer wrote:
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice… So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler...
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice…

So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler had shots of Chris Kovarik’s Intense DH prototype with IFR livery- could be confirmation of Dak saying the production frames would be announced soon!

grambo wrote:
I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of...
I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of the 2022 season when Gwin/Dak were on the podium? He's had that custom painted one all season in Whistler, seems to alternate between it and his M29 (also with a sick custom paint job from Fresh Paints).
Thanks for the info!
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krabo83 10/12/2022 11:18pm
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Losifer wrote:
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice… So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler...
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice…

So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler had shots of Chris Kovarik’s Intense DH prototype with IFR livery- could be confirmation of Dak saying the production frames would be announced soon!

grambo wrote:
I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of...
I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of the 2022 season when Gwin/Dak were on the podium? He's had that custom painted one all season in Whistler, seems to alternate between it and his M29 (also with a sick custom paint job from Fresh Paints).
he definitely has a M279 with custom paint too


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Losifer 10/13/2022 6:30am
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Losifer wrote:
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice… So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler...
Alright, now you’ve made Spomer use his dad voice…

So like a bonehead I forgot to get a screenshot from IG, but Fresh Paints of Whistler had shots of Chris Kovarik’s Intense DH prototype with IFR livery- could be confirmation of Dak saying the production frames would be announced soon!

grambo wrote:
I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of...
I think Kovarik has the older VPP layout mullet M279 prototype bike that IFR was testing prior to the iteration they used the later half of the 2022 season when Gwin/Dak were on the podium? He's had that custom painted one all season in Whistler, seems to alternate between it and his M29 (also with a sick custom paint job from Fresh Paints).
krabo83 wrote:
he definitely has a M279 with custom paint too [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/10/12/13095/s1200_A06C41B0_C57D_4009_959E_E0E412C17646.jpg[/img]
he definitely has a M279 with custom paint too


Yup, that’s the frame I saw.
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krabo83 10/13/2022 8:20am
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Losifer wrote:
Yup, that’s the frame I saw.
pretty sure that won‘t be a production bike. i guess they will be testing that teased 6-bar bike and then decide which finally direction the will go with the new DH-bike. so i guess a new production version won‘t come before 2024.
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bigbrett 10/13/2022 9:32am
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Dave_Camp wrote:
^^ thanks forum Dad.




Anyone seen this- DUAL Compound, DH Casing DHR II:

TB00368500

MSRP $80

https://shop.maxxis.com/collections/mountain/products/minion-dhr-ii?var…


Primoz wrote:
Is this the second DH casing dual compound modern Maxxis ever? A few years ago only the DHF came in DH casing and dual compound... A...
Is this the second DH casing dual compound modern Maxxis ever? A few years ago only the DHF came in DH casing and dual compound...

A severe lack of DH casing and DD casing dual compound tyres is completely baffling to me as they would make a great option for hard charging (heavy) riders that like to still pedal a lot. A 3C tyre in the rear usually gets chewed up mighty fast (DHR2s though surprisingly last quite a while even in 3C guise in the rear...).
Dave_Camp wrote:
Agree- not sure why they don't make a few more options. I wish they made an Aggressor with DH casing for a faster rolling tire. Specialized...
Agree- not sure why they don't make a few more options. I wish they made an Aggressor with DH casing for a faster rolling tire.



Specialized Eliminator Grid Gravity T7/T9 is another good option for a heavy duty but still pedalable rear tire.
I wanted that tire to work so bad for the rear, and it was excellent but disintegrated the T9 sideknobs in about 5 rides Sad
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krabo83 wrote:
pretty sure that won‘t be a production bike. i guess they will be testing that teased 6-bar bike and then decide which finally direction the will...
pretty sure that won‘t be a production bike. i guess they will be testing that teased 6-bar bike and then decide which finally direction the will go with the new DH-bike. so i guess a new production version won‘t come before 2024.
On the B Practice podcast Dak said the production frames are finalized and are still mid/high pivot with an idler ,lose the 'belly pan' and have a different rocker layout.
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Primoz 10/13/2022 2:14pm
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Where was the 6-bar teased?
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krabo83 10/14/2022 7:45am
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Primoz wrote:
Where was the 6-bar teased?
AG talked about future testing in some videos and/or interviews if i recall correctly plus didn't jeff steber tease a new project on instagram? maybe that HP-4bar bike they raced was so good that they will stick with that. but a 6-bar bike could be interesting.
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RiderMikeCheck1 10/14/2022 7:54am
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Primoz wrote:
Where was the 6-bar teased?
krabo83 wrote:
AG talked about future testing in some videos and/or interviews if i recall correctly plus didn't jeff steber tease a new project on instagram? maybe that...
AG talked about future testing in some videos and/or interviews if i recall correctly plus didn't jeff steber tease a new project on instagram? maybe that HP-4bar bike they raced was so good that they will stick with that. but a 6-bar bike could be interesting.
Yes, there was the interview on the other site I believe where Jeff said during the 2022 season they were going to be testing and racing 2 different designs--one of which was a 6-bar. No surprise we didn't see the second frame surface.
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Kusa 10/15/2022 12:04am
10/15/2022 12:04am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2022 12:11am
Not that much of a rumor, but Specialized added a couple of other 2023 bikes to their web. Seems like the price change up on Expert models is because they are now on AXS shifting. Also Enduro now comes on coil shock instead of air.

Stump EVO Comp https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-evo-comp/p/200528?color=3…
Stump EVO Expert https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-evo-expert/p/200531?color…

Epic EVO Comp https://www.specialized.com/us/en/epic-evo-comp/p/205806?color=349304-2…
Epic EVO Expert https://www.specialized.com/us/en/epic-evo-expert/p/205805?color=349305…
Epic EVO Pro https://www.specialized.com/us/en/epic-evo-pro/p/205803?color=336284-20…

Enduro Comp https://www.specialized.com/us/en/enduro-comp/p/200513?color=349322-200…
Enduro Expert https://www.specialized.com/us/en/enduro-expert/p/200514?color=349341-2…

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Primoz 10/15/2022 12:30am
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I wonder how much of a gain a 6bar layout is actually compared to how much more complicated it is to design and make...
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Primoz wrote:
I wonder how much of a gain a 6bar layout is actually compared to how much more complicated it is to design and make...
About 0.03%
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