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TheShortestCharles 3/9/2022 2:07pm
3/9/2022 2:07pm
O1D4 wrote:
Can see an '11' on the top tube... Wonder if it's just the long overdue alu version or if they've updated/tweaked it somehow [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12142/s1200_Screenshot_20220309_003655_Instagram.jpg[/img]
Can see an '11' on the top tube... Wonder if it's just the long overdue alu version or if they've updated/tweaked it somehow
What's the Trek in the background? Link looks like a Slash, but the top tube/seat tube junction seems different from the current Slash and Remedy. I'm probably overthinking this, but there is a pretty decent hole in Trek's lineup between the 160mm Slash and 200mm Session; seems fit for a 'super enduro' or park model.
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philipthebiker 3/9/2022 2:18pm
3/9/2022 2:18pm
O1D4 wrote:
Can see an '11' on the top tube... Wonder if it's just the long overdue alu version or if they've updated/tweaked it somehow [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12142/s1200_Screenshot_20220309_003655_Instagram.jpg[/img]
Can see an '11' on the top tube... Wonder if it's just the long overdue alu version or if they've updated/tweaked it somehow
TheShortestCharles wrote:
What's the Trek in the background? Link looks like a Slash, but the top tube/seat tube junction seems different from the current Slash and Remedy. I'm...
What's the Trek in the background? Link looks like a Slash, but the top tube/seat tube junction seems different from the current Slash and Remedy. I'm probably overthinking this, but there is a pretty decent hole in Trek's lineup between the 160mm Slash and 200mm Session; seems fit for a 'super enduro' or park model.
That is R-dogs custom Slash
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sspomer 3/9/2022 3:53pm
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seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





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Jason_Schroeder 3/9/2022 4:02pm
3/9/2022 4:02pm
sspomer wrote:
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12150/s1200_B0E2937A_AF78_4310_AEB7_3C6FFEF27D7F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12149/s1200_02B798E7_A427_4081_9E6A_90FB6D40A21C.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12147/s1200_FBB9BEC5_252D_4734_8F22_88A095CFF682.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12148/s1200_1E45E505_8053_42F7_8C64_18B22FC324E1.jpg[/img]
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





Glad they put a 'prototype' sticker on it, I wasn't too sure. Shocked
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Whattheheel 3/9/2022 4:18pm
3/9/2022 4:18pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2022 4:22pm
I can't believe how close the shock looks to the DT! Looks like it's resting on it from a couple angles. The cut out on the DT is hard to see from some of the pics.

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Big Bird 3/9/2022 4:18pm
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They should at least rattle can it white like PH's render. Looks just the same other wise.
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PisgahGnar 3/9/2022 4:28pm
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Whattheheel wrote:
I can't believe how close the shock looks to the DT! Looks like it's resting on it from a couple angles. The cut out on the...
I can't believe how close the shock looks to the DT! Looks like it's resting on it from a couple angles. The cut out on the DT is hard to see from some of the pics.

There is a cavity designed into the downtube to prevent it from hitting. What’s really going to suck is turning those clickers that are next to that piggyback, hidden deep inside that cavity. I don’t think you can even reach them without taking it out.
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Whattheheel 3/9/2022 4:32pm
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You just pull the black cover off on the underside of the DT.
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Volta55 3/9/2022 4:37pm
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phcross wrote:
With a few more frame and details pics from Jeff, here is an updated image of what the bike can look like. PH [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/06/12129/s1200_2022_Gwin_Proto_V2.jpg[/img]
With a few more frame and details pics from Jeff, here is an updated image of what the bike can look like.

PH


the return of the kona stab Laughing
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mntnmrtn 3/9/2022 5:04pm
3/9/2022 5:04pm
sspomer wrote:
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12150/s1200_B0E2937A_AF78_4310_AEB7_3C6FFEF27D7F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12149/s1200_02B798E7_A427_4081_9E6A_90FB6D40A21C.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12147/s1200_FBB9BEC5_252D_4734_8F22_88A095CFF682.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12148/s1200_1E45E505_8053_42F7_8C64_18B22FC324E1.jpg[/img]
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





Is that a proto TRP or E Thirteen drivetrain too ? I don't recall seeing those cranks anywhere yet.
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aenema 3/9/2022 5:07pm
3/9/2022 5:07pm
That rocker link has to be the longest ever and I'm sure won't cause any flex/stress on shock or bolts. Plus it is pretty hideous.
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Jonathon Simonetti 3/9/2022 5:08pm
3/9/2022 5:08pm
sspomer wrote:
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12150/s1200_B0E2937A_AF78_4310_AEB7_3C6FFEF27D7F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12149/s1200_02B798E7_A427_4081_9E6A_90FB6D40A21C.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12147/s1200_FBB9BEC5_252D_4734_8F22_88A095CFF682.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12148/s1200_1E45E505_8053_42F7_8C64_18B22FC324E1.jpg[/img]
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





Looks quite similar to the Cannondale Jekyll layout. With the exception that the front half of the rocker is hidden and the frame surrounds more of the shock on the Jekyll.


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bikeboardorblade 3/9/2022 5:38pm
3/9/2022 5:38pm
Looking forward to seeing it in action. There’s been a lot of build up for it, let’s hope it delivers!
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mfoga 3/9/2022 6:23pm
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aenema wrote:
That rocker link has to be the longest ever and I'm sure won't cause any flex/stress on shock or bolts. Plus it is pretty hideous.
Did you miss the old Konas?
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Brevard_Bikewrench 3/9/2022 7:43pm
3/9/2022 7:43pm
Surprised no one has noticed some tweaks to the session the TFR team is on. The idler is now in plain sight, and no longer has the chain stay on both sides. Hopefully this will fix some of the chain drop issues!

Speaking of chains dropping, apparently under hard riding, the Jekyll is horrible in the chain retention department. Mitch dropped a chain at the Ironton BME resulting in a DNF. Wonder if anyone has thought to put a full lower guide on?

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metadave 3/9/2022 7:56pm
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Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Surprised no one has noticed some tweaks to the session the TFR team is on. The idler is now in plain sight, and no longer has...
Surprised no one has noticed some tweaks to the session the TFR team is on. The idler is now in plain sight, and no longer has the chain stay on both sides. Hopefully this will fix some of the chain drop issues!

Speaking of chains dropping, apparently under hard riding, the Jekyll is horrible in the chain retention department. Mitch dropped a chain at the Ironton BME resulting in a DNF. Wonder if anyone has thought to put a full lower guide on?

It's been done before.....


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RiderMikeCheck1 3/9/2022 9:03pm
3/9/2022 9:03pm
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a retail company they let him borrow the design. Jeff has to play by different rules and probably doesn't want to license anything so he's stuck with a too-high high-pivot with a 8" long rocker haha.

Also, scary that this is still a 'work in progress' frame this far along. Jeff's instagram post said "this project making good progress". Not something you really want to be saying a couple weeks before the world cup season. That's something you post in November or December. haha.

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RiderMikeCheck1 3/9/2022 9:07pm
3/9/2022 9:07pm
Specialized Cannibal tire resurfaces on Loic Bruni's rig at the DH race in Portugal last weekend. (Photos on the other site). His result wasn't the greatest---wonder if he'll not have confidence in the new tire and go back to the DHRIIs for Lousa of if he'll stay committed to it.
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Jonzilla 3/9/2022 9:51pm
3/9/2022 9:51pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2022 9:55pm
that down tube weld would play on my mind.. I mean I would KNOW that it's safe but still........... :/ also the end product is gonna be fantastic plastic.
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THIRTYone 3/9/2022 10:14pm
3/9/2022 10:14pm
I’m not even looking and the new transition just keeps popping up ha here’s another shot
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stoic_machine 3/9/2022 10:31pm
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sspomer wrote:
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12150/s1200_B0E2937A_AF78_4310_AEB7_3C6FFEF27D7F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12149/s1200_02B798E7_A427_4081_9E6A_90FB6D40A21C.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12147/s1200_FBB9BEC5_252D_4734_8F22_88A095CFF682.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12148/s1200_1E45E505_8053_42F7_8C64_18B22FC324E1.jpg[/img]
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





Can someone push on the seat and make a video please. I feel if Ellsworth made a DH bike it would look similar.
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noideamtber 3/10/2022 12:02am
3/10/2022 12:02am
That intense Prototype is not the same as the first prototype we all seen last year... quite different
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Primoz 3/10/2022 12:43am
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aenema wrote:
That rocker link has to be the longest ever and I'm sure won't cause any flex/stress on shock or bolts. Plus it is pretty hideous.
I was wondering if I'm the only one worried that there might be some failures in the rocker/rocker pivot area through the season...
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shreda 3/10/2022 12:46am
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aenema wrote:
That rocker link has to be the longest ever and I'm sure won't cause any flex/stress on shock or bolts. Plus it is pretty hideous.
Primoz wrote:
I was wondering if I'm the only one worried that there might be some failures in the rocker/rocker pivot area through the season...
Watching Nekos videos and hearing his feedback, this could very well be possible!
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Primoz 3/10/2022 12:49am
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RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a...
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a retail company they let him borrow the design. Jeff has to play by different rules and probably doesn't want to license anything so he's stuck with a too-high high-pivot with a 8" long rocker haha.

Also, scary that this is still a 'work in progress' frame this far along. Jeff's instagram post said "this project making good progress". Not something you really want to be saying a couple weeks before the world cup season. That's something you post in November or December. haha.

I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the swingarm in the case of a single pivot design. So it covers link mounted idlers on 4 and 6-bar suspension designs.

Having the idler concentric to one of the pivots on the front triangle if I recall correctly means it's 'frame mounted', as is the case with the Range.
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melonhead1145 3/10/2022 1:34am
3/10/2022 1:34am
TheShortestCharles wrote:
What's the Trek in the background? Link looks like a Slash, but the top tube/seat tube junction seems different from the current Slash and Remedy. I'm...
What's the Trek in the background? Link looks like a Slash, but the top tube/seat tube junction seems different from the current Slash and Remedy. I'm probably overthinking this, but there is a pretty decent hole in Trek's lineup between the 160mm Slash and 200mm Session; seems fit for a 'super enduro' or park model.
It's a Slash. Custom Back to the Future paint job

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXWS-U5JESj/
ORTOGONAL555 3/10/2022 3:02am
3/10/2022 3:02am
Nice catch on the TFR new idler setup!
Also, concerning the intense, the main pivot is quite high but that is not the only factor determining the axle path, given it is an horst frame. Also, how much mud can collect in that downtube😬?
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Primoz 3/10/2022 3:17am
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It's not the only one, but given the chainstay pivot to rear axle distance, it is by far the greatest influencing factor.
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Krispy 3/10/2022 5:33am
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RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a...
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a retail company they let him borrow the design. Jeff has to play by different rules and probably doesn't want to license anything so he's stuck with a too-high high-pivot with a 8" long rocker haha.

Also, scary that this is still a 'work in progress' frame this far along. Jeff's instagram post said "this project making good progress". Not something you really want to be saying a couple weeks before the world cup season. That's something you post in November or December. haha.

Primoz wrote:
I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the...
I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the swingarm in the case of a single pivot design. So it covers link mounted idlers on 4 and 6-bar suspension designs.

Having the idler concentric to one of the pivots on the front triangle if I recall correctly means it's 'frame mounted', as is the case with the Range.
It looks like the idler on the Intense is attached to the swing arm so it would be I Track?
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