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2/11/2022 3:35pm
Primoz wrote:
Good to know, price wise it makes a bit more sense to go Archer vs. AXS (as it's transferable and the destroyed mech is cheaper), but...
Good to know, price wise it makes a bit more sense to go Archer vs. AXS (as it's transferable and the destroyed mech is cheaper), but at the end of the day, I don't see a problem with cables...
Would be cool if Archer is working on a system that could be used for a Derailleur and cable actuated dropper. Could even stash it in the swat box of some bikes probably, I see most people run the system on the chain stay so it really is only making unsprung weight worse. Why not just run a little more cable and put it closer to the BB?
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2/11/2022 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 2/11/2022 7:47pm
Just a thought, I figure archer could likely make a paddle shifter that could in theory, be programmed to run any gear box could it not? I duel cable setup to run a pinnion? You'd only need one box and them flash the firmware to whatever setup you were running.
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2/11/2022 10:02pm
At risk of being a basic SC fanboi, I really want to know who has any dirt on the upcoming Megatower. I am assuming more brawler/agile big rig with full 29 and increased travel that will be in a (hopefully) similar wheelhouse as the Spire. Asking for a friend...
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2/11/2022 11:48pm
At risk of being a basic SC fanboi, I really want to know who has any dirt on the upcoming Megatower. I am assuming more brawler/agile...
At risk of being a basic SC fanboi, I really want to know who has any dirt on the upcoming Megatower. I am assuming more brawler/agile big rig with full 29 and increased travel that will be in a (hopefully) similar wheelhouse as the Spire. Asking for a friend...
1. April has been a good launch date for SC previously.
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2/12/2022 12:01am
baronKanon wrote:
1. April has been a good launch date for SC previously.
Was meant to be launched 2 months ago and is maybe a few weeks away now. Good news is they have moved away from the stupid high leverage, low progression and will be running a 230 x 65 shock to get the 170mm travel
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2/12/2022 12:11am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2022 12:13am
metadave wrote:
Just a thought, I figure archer could likely make a paddle shifter that could in theory, be programmed to run any gear box could it not...
Just a thought, I figure archer could likely make a paddle shifter that could in theory, be programmed to run any gear box could it not? I duel cable setup to run a pinnion? You'd only need one box and them flash the firmware to whatever setup you were running.
Or have two boxes that are connected (for the timing) and shift the opposite way. Pinion needs a cable being pulled going both ways, that's why I'd use two boxes. It'd be hard to make it work with just one (it would have to be a custom box, it's easier just to sell two Tongue )

But yeah, I'm sure it would be possible. The question is if it's strong enough. I remember reading (in the PB review?) that on the end of line check in the factory they use a strong servo motor to do the shifting and do it at basically full power. On the trail though, you have to let up on the pedals to be able to shift (supposedly), to let up on the shifting mechanism. The point being that you're hand/cable limited, not shifting mechanism limited, the mechanism is able to shift at full power, it just requires more force to do so.
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2/12/2022 12:17am
metadave wrote:
Just a thought, I figure archer could likely make a paddle shifter that could in theory, be programmed to run any gear box could it not...
Just a thought, I figure archer could likely make a paddle shifter that could in theory, be programmed to run any gear box could it not? I duel cable setup to run a pinnion? You'd only need one box and them flash the firmware to whatever setup you were running.
Primoz wrote:
Or have two boxes that are connected (for the timing) and shift the opposite way. Pinion needs a cable being pulled going both ways, that's why...
Or have two boxes that are connected (for the timing) and shift the opposite way. Pinion needs a cable being pulled going both ways, that's why I'd use two boxes. It'd be hard to make it work with just one (it would have to be a custom box, it's easier just to sell two Tongue )

But yeah, I'm sure it would be possible. The question is if it's strong enough. I remember reading (in the PB review?) that on the end of line check in the factory they use a strong servo motor to do the shifting and do it at basically full power. On the trail though, you have to let up on the pedals to be able to shift (supposedly), to let up on the shifting mechanism. The point being that you're hand/cable limited, not shifting mechanism limited, the mechanism is able to shift at full power, it just requires more force to do so.
Effigear has been using a SRAM 9 speed shifter on one end and a "spring in a tube" on the other. I'd say a similar approach could work for Pinions.
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2/12/2022 12:58am
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up on the pedals to release the shift mechanism and shift into an easier gear (might be the other way around). Therefore they don't need as much power/force and can get away with only a spring.

The funny thing is they moved away from the fixed gear hub and a concentric pivot, so you now apparently have to backpedal to be able to shift to an easier gear at all. I asked when I saw the newer designs if they fixed that issue, but they said no. I might be wrong and they did make some changes, but both details came directly from effigear, the first one years ago, when I was asking them if it's possible to use a standard hub, a chain tensioner and a non-concentric suspension layout (a horst link....) and got the backpedal reply, the other detail came from the instagram post with them showing the new design, where the output shaft is concentric to the pedal shaft.

If anyone has different experiences with an effigear gearbox than what I was told by the company itself, please correct me.
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2/12/2022 6:21am
At risk of being a basic SC fanboi, I really want to know who has any dirt on the upcoming Megatower. I am assuming more brawler/agile...
At risk of being a basic SC fanboi, I really want to know who has any dirt on the upcoming Megatower. I am assuming more brawler/agile big rig with full 29 and increased travel that will be in a (hopefully) similar wheelhouse as the Spire. Asking for a friend...
I haven't heard anything 100 percent confirmed except for a May release date. With Santa Cruz's recent history of being somewhat predictable, I would expect it to be a dead on copy of the newest generation Nomad, but sitting on 29" wheels with maybe a few tiny differences, like using the flip chip for leverage ratio rather than geometry adjust. I unfortunately do not think it will hold a candle to the Spire, on paper, but boy howdy if it does I'll be on one right quick.
2/12/2022 6:56am
This has to be the worst time ever to be releasing a bike.. Shortages and delays from all the vendors and then the shipping situation.. So, even pushing a bike off a few months may mean limited availability at best come launch...
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2/12/2022 7:00am
No inside info, but I'd be surprised if they don't make the new Megatower available as either 29 or MX (but not convertible back and forth), like the V10 and Heckler. There's a lot of racers who prefer MX, even riding size L or XL, and this is their enduro race bike.
2/12/2022 10:32am
This has to be the worst time ever to be releasing a bike.. Shortages and delays from all the vendors and then the shipping situation.. So...
This has to be the worst time ever to be releasing a bike.. Shortages and delays from all the vendors and then the shipping situation.. So, even pushing a bike off a few months may mean limited availability at best come launch...
Transition didn’t even advertise the recent spire restock until pretty much everything but the nx option was sold out.
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2/12/2022 11:40am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2022 11:44am
Primoz wrote:
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up...
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up on the pedals to release the shift mechanism and shift into an easier gear (might be the other way around). Therefore they don't need as much power/force and can get away with only a spring.

The funny thing is they moved away from the fixed gear hub and a concentric pivot, so you now apparently have to backpedal to be able to shift to an easier gear at all. I asked when I saw the newer designs if they fixed that issue, but they said no. I might be wrong and they did make some changes, but both details came directly from effigear, the first one years ago, when I was asking them if it's possible to use a standard hub, a chain tensioner and a non-concentric suspension layout (a horst link....) and got the backpedal reply, the other detail came from the instagram post with them showing the new design, where the output shaft is concentric to the pedal shaft.

If anyone has different experiences with an effigear gearbox than what I was told by the company itself, please correct me.
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon and I could totally use the Archer system on it, and it would be great to be able to use that as an electronic shifter for the 9speed gearbox. Slim, I see that the Starling does have the spring tube you are talking about also. Let me know of any other info you have concerning this, and I will plan on adding this to the bike build when I get the frame. That would be great!!
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2/12/2022 12:21pm
My comments were specifically regarding the Pinion, which is a bit different than the Effigear as it has a 'powered shift' in both directions.
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2/12/2022 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 2/12/2022 3:10pm
I've been checking the system every day (literally) at work for new SC PO's to see when the new Megatower is ordered and set to arrive because I've been anxiously awaiting it. I'm hoping it pedals just as good or better as the V1 does, but also a wee bit more plush, even if that requires the climb switch. Love my V1, but I'm curious and will probably blindly buy the V2.
2/12/2022 1:19pm
Transition didn’t even advertise the recent spire restock until pretty much everything but the nx option was sold out.
That's probably all that was left after they filled existing backorders..

Santa Cruz told us what bikes we could get for 2022.. They have hit us up as new models come in, but they are rationing bikes best they can to spread the love and keep dealers going..
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2/13/2022 5:52am
Is this a new Schwalbe tread pattern on Amaurys front? Or is it a competitiors tire?
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2/13/2022 6:06am
Mr.Nally wrote:
Is this a new Schwalbe tread pattern on Amaurys front? Or is it a competitiors tire?[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/13/12028/s1200_Screenshot_20220211_120306_01.jpg[/img]
Is this a new Schwalbe tread pattern on Amaurys front? Or is it a competitiors tire?
Already discussed on previous page Smile
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2/13/2022 9:58am
May I ask if there are any rumor on a Transition ebike ? Or are they successful enough with muscular bikes so far not to bother yet with ebikes in these difficult times ?
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2/13/2022 11:19am
I also would like some inside info on a transition ebike, even sketchy photo! I’m sure i saw a post about a rumour a few pages back? I reckon they must be working on a bike and a crazy video to release..

My bet is spire like geo, With a shimano motor power unit.
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2/13/2022 11:28am


100% accurate rendering Laughing
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2/13/2022 2:45pm
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/13/12029/s1200_351DA2B2_E49B_4B85_B12A_67C4A9E4754C.jpg[/img] 100% accurate rendering :laugh:


100% accurate rendering Laughing
nailed it
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2/13/2022 2:59pm
Primoz wrote:
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up...
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up on the pedals to release the shift mechanism and shift into an easier gear (might be the other way around). Therefore they don't need as much power/force and can get away with only a spring.

The funny thing is they moved away from the fixed gear hub and a concentric pivot, so you now apparently have to backpedal to be able to shift to an easier gear at all. I asked when I saw the newer designs if they fixed that issue, but they said no. I might be wrong and they did make some changes, but both details came directly from effigear, the first one years ago, when I was asking them if it's possible to use a standard hub, a chain tensioner and a non-concentric suspension layout (a horst link....) and got the backpedal reply, the other detail came from the instagram post with them showing the new design, where the output shaft is concentric to the pedal shaft.

If anyone has different experiences with an effigear gearbox than what I was told by the company itself, please correct me.
MXBREWSK wrote:
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon...
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon and I could totally use the Archer system on it, and it would be great to be able to use that as an electronic shifter for the 9speed gearbox. Slim, I see that the Starling does have the spring tube you are talking about also. Let me know of any other info you have concerning this, and I will plan on adding this to the bike build when I get the frame. That would be great!!
I for one would like to be posted on your progress with this singular mix of components.

Please report as soon as you have some riding time on the gearbox and shifter combo.
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2/13/2022 4:19pm
Primoz wrote:
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up...
Doubt it, Effigear requires a fixed rear hub in order for the chain/belt to drive the output side of the gearbox forwards when you let up on the pedals to release the shift mechanism and shift into an easier gear (might be the other way around). Therefore they don't need as much power/force and can get away with only a spring.

The funny thing is they moved away from the fixed gear hub and a concentric pivot, so you now apparently have to backpedal to be able to shift to an easier gear at all. I asked when I saw the newer designs if they fixed that issue, but they said no. I might be wrong and they did make some changes, but both details came directly from effigear, the first one years ago, when I was asking them if it's possible to use a standard hub, a chain tensioner and a non-concentric suspension layout (a horst link....) and got the backpedal reply, the other detail came from the instagram post with them showing the new design, where the output shaft is concentric to the pedal shaft.

If anyone has different experiences with an effigear gearbox than what I was told by the company itself, please correct me.
MXBREWSK wrote:
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon...
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon and I could totally use the Archer system on it, and it would be great to be able to use that as an electronic shifter for the 9speed gearbox. Slim, I see that the Starling does have the spring tube you are talking about also. Let me know of any other info you have concerning this, and I will plan on adding this to the bike build when I get the frame. That would be great!!
slimshady wrote:
I for one would like to be posted on your progress with this singular mix of components. Please report as soon as you have some riding...
I for one would like to be posted on your progress with this singular mix of components.

Please report as soon as you have some riding time on the gearbox and shifter combo.
Slim, I will. I will be ordering the bike in the next week or so and I will discuss with Joe(owner) via email if this is a possible workable option also. Even if he says it isnt going to work, I'm still going to try it when I get the frame. The only thing I imagine is that the spring would need to possibly be a different rate if it doesnt work. The unit has all kinds of adjustability including pull rates if memory serves(I set it up and has worked flawlessly since, so set up is a distant memory, lol)
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2/13/2022 4:24pm
MXBREWSK wrote:
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon...
Primoz & Slimshady, I currently have the Archer shifting system for my hardtail Nukeproof, but I am ordering the Starling Spur steel frame with Effigearbox soon and I could totally use the Archer system on it, and it would be great to be able to use that as an electronic shifter for the 9speed gearbox. Slim, I see that the Starling does have the spring tube you are talking about also. Let me know of any other info you have concerning this, and I will plan on adding this to the bike build when I get the frame. That would be great!!
slimshady wrote:
I for one would like to be posted on your progress with this singular mix of components. Please report as soon as you have some riding...
I for one would like to be posted on your progress with this singular mix of components.

Please report as soon as you have some riding time on the gearbox and shifter combo.
MXBREWSK wrote:
Slim, I will. I will be ordering the bike in the next week or so and I will discuss with Joe(owner) via email if this is...
Slim, I will. I will be ordering the bike in the next week or so and I will discuss with Joe(owner) via email if this is a possible workable option also. Even if he says it isnt going to work, I'm still going to try it when I get the frame. The only thing I imagine is that the spring would need to possibly be a different rate if it doesnt work. The unit has all kinds of adjustability including pull rates if memory serves(I set it up and has worked flawlessly since, so set up is a distant memory, lol)
I forgot to include Slim, even though I am ordering soon it will be months before I get the frame from Starling. So when I get it I will post on the normal blog and here and include the past posting we are doing now. Sorry, but they gotta build it before I can get it, lol.
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2/13/2022 10:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2022 10:09pm
Unless the shifting is REALLY stiff, I don't think you should have any problems with the Archer setup. As far as I've seen, you can determine chain pull for every gear separately if required. But of course, do share your experiences once you get the bike.

Focus on Effigear performance as well plus if you have the option of running a standard rear hub and a locked freewheel (to compare how it shifts, aiming at my comments of being required to backpedal and all...), that would be awesome.
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new intense tracer finished product it seems.

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Mr.Nally wrote:
Is this a new Schwalbe tread pattern on Amaurys front? Or is it a competitiors tire?[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/13/12028/s1200_Screenshot_20220211_120306_01.jpg[/img]
Is this a new Schwalbe tread pattern on Amaurys front? Or is it a competitiors tire?
dolface wrote:
Already discussed on previous page Smile
Sorry, I haven't been regularly in the forum
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2/14/2022 2:51am
Where will this tyre fit in the line up? Looks similar to a DHR2, but the Big Betty already covers that? Perhaps a replacement for the Magic Mary? As I know Amaury was running front eddy currents on his bike at some point, probably as the knobs are less likely to roll or squirm under very aggressive riding
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This will be a front dry tire, betty is designed for rear in mind
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