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iceman2058 12/21/2018 2:50am
12/21/2018 2:50am
YT says thanks to Aaron and Neko, and hints at turning the page!

FROM YT:

Thank you for the good times.

“Thank you for three glorious years of World Cup Racing, historic firsts, epic victories and a lot of lessons learned. Demonstrating that YT can succeed on a global stage, proving doubters wrong and establishing the YT MOB on the circuit.
Thank you for the good times Aaron & Neko!

Now is the time to go back to the core and take the gained knowledge to our roots. Pass it on to the next generation, identify the next Young Talents and redefine the rules once again. Let the journey begin!”

– Markus Flossmann, CEO

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Triber66 12/21/2018 3:39am
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A pretty incredible entry into World Cup Racing! It sounds like they won’t have a team at all next year though.
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Greenedog 12/21/2018 4:56am
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Neko and the Mob are done.

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jimmypop 12/21/2018 5:12am
12/21/2018 5:12am
So Gwin asked for too much. Got it.
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ck85 12/21/2018 5:17am
12/21/2018 5:17am
YT / Seagraves for 2019??
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baronKanon 12/21/2018 5:22am
12/21/2018 5:22am
ck85 wrote:
YT / Seagraves for 2019??
They are confirmed to stay on Transition for 2019?
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ck85 12/21/2018 5:23am
12/21/2018 5:23am
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They are confirmed to stay on Transition for 2019?
Didn't know that ?
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TRex 12/21/2018 5:23am
12/21/2018 5:23am
jimmypop wrote:
So Gwin asked for too much. Got it.
YT is the one that pulled the plug, it wasn't Gwin asking for too much.
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shreda 12/21/2018 5:51am
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jimmypop wrote:
So Gwin asked for too much. Got it.
TRex wrote:
YT is the one that pulled the plug, it wasn't Gwin asking for too much.
He was asking too much!

I‘m sure the team will still be on the circus next year but only with Angel, maybe together with another „young talent“ if they can get someone...
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Brandongoebel96 12/21/2018 5:56am
12/21/2018 5:56am
Mayhem media said, "Going to be an intense winter getting used to a new bike" on Neko's post. Not sure if they know something we don't or just stirring stuff up.
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SharpieMTB 12/21/2018 6:24am
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Brandongoebel96 wrote:
Mayhem media said, "Going to be an intense winter getting used to a new bike" on Neko's post. Not sure if they know something we don't...
Mayhem media said, "Going to be an intense winter getting used to a new bike" on Neko's post. Not sure if they know something we don't or just stirring stuff up.
they're playing along with these #reamtumors
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MPH24 12/21/2018 6:55am
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jimmypop wrote:
So Gwin asked for too much. Got it.
TRex wrote:
YT is the one that pulled the plug, it wasn't Gwin asking for too much.
Makes sense. Gwin proved that YT's are capable of winning a WC and the WC overall. YT got what they needed out of the arrangement. No need to pay the most expensive guy on the circuit anymore when they have the market validation they sought - not just a cool, cheaper bike, but a winning bike too.
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MPH24 12/21/2018 7:11am
12/21/2018 7:11am
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob and SC makes that a extremely tight relationship). I am guessing Rob doesn't have the Syndicate team to make money. He sets the budget and that's that for the team, who knows maybe even runs the team at a loss, because he likes DH and owning a team - it's fun for him. Shit if I was a rich guy owning a DH team would be a blast.

Are there any other teams like that? Where there is a wealthy team owner who helps put together the sponsors but is really the financial backer of the team?

Maybe I am way off here...
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TRex 12/21/2018 7:25am
12/21/2018 7:25am
MPH24 wrote:
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob...
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob and SC makes that a extremely tight relationship). I am guessing Rob doesn't have the Syndicate team to make money. He sets the budget and that's that for the team, who knows maybe even runs the team at a loss, because he likes DH and owning a team - it's fun for him. Shit if I was a rich guy owning a DH team would be a blast.

Are there any other teams like that? Where there is a wealthy team owner who helps put together the sponsors but is really the financial backer of the team?

Maybe I am way off here...
You're not way off, there are lots of ways to look at it. I doubt V10 frames paid for the Syndicate. The Bronsons did, the Nomads did years back, the Blurs did. Santa Cruz, like many other brands, wanted to make themselves look cool. Maybe it was just a love of owning a team. Maybe it was developing a better DH bike, maybe it was learning and developing better trail bikes. There are many ways to slice it. I'd bet that most DH teams are a 'loss'. It is how they use that image to sell the bikes that really make them money, the Stumpy's, the Fuels, the Trances, Patrols and Mach 5's. All those bikes pay for those DH teams. The grey area is how much is it worth to the team owner.
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bikerfilmerboy 12/21/2018 7:28am
12/21/2018 7:28am
I know a lot of people think Gwin is going to Intense but I can't ignore the fact that Trek will have a huge personality and bank roll void if rumors are true about Athertons. Especially cause Intense has other riders. In the end it comes down to which package Gwin and Neko like the best. I also think people in the know (aka not the general fan base) wouldn't drop hints about Gwin signing with s specific band, they'd put comments out there to throw us off.

Also Neko's post about testing bikes, hanging behind the bike is a large, crumpled up sign of him (?) on a Trek... The photo is extra wide and includes the bike on the sign... And it's a Trek.
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MPH24 12/21/2018 7:44am
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MPH24 wrote:
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob...
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob and SC makes that a extremely tight relationship). I am guessing Rob doesn't have the Syndicate team to make money. He sets the budget and that's that for the team, who knows maybe even runs the team at a loss, because he likes DH and owning a team - it's fun for him. Shit if I was a rich guy owning a DH team would be a blast.

Are there any other teams like that? Where there is a wealthy team owner who helps put together the sponsors but is really the financial backer of the team?

Maybe I am way off here...
TRex wrote:
You're not way off, there are lots of ways to look at it. I doubt V10 frames paid for the Syndicate. The Bronsons did, the Nomads...
You're not way off, there are lots of ways to look at it. I doubt V10 frames paid for the Syndicate. The Bronsons did, the Nomads did years back, the Blurs did. Santa Cruz, like many other brands, wanted to make themselves look cool. Maybe it was just a love of owning a team. Maybe it was developing a better DH bike, maybe it was learning and developing better trail bikes. There are many ways to slice it. I'd bet that most DH teams are a 'loss'. It is how they use that image to sell the bikes that really make them money, the Stumpy's, the Fuels, the Trances, Patrols and Mach 5's. All those bikes pay for those DH teams. The grey area is how much is it worth to the team owner.
No doubt its a marketing play for the brands... I was more saying the Syndicate, for example, gets $1.0m in revenue from Sponsors (i.e. SC, Fox, etc.) but the team spends $1.2m between travel, salaries, etc. and Roskopp just picks up the tab on the difference because he enjoys owning a team and being a part of it.
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Brian_Peterson 12/21/2018 7:44am
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I don't think it was YT that cut Aaron and Neko, but I'm thinking it was something between them and Martin Whitley.. Unless YT said they were cutting back what they were willing to spend and those are 2 big checks no longer getting signed..

I still can't see the two of them on Intense.. I heard the price Gwin was shopping around was 500k for him, Neko, and John Hall... And most likely a multi-year deal.. I don't think Intense has that money unless what someone said a few pages back is true and Intense has some outside money coming in... Aaron is most likely bringing some Fox, TRP, and Onza money to the table...

Still, it will be interesting to see who ends up where..
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Brian_Peterson 12/21/2018 8:23am
12/21/2018 8:23am
MPH24 wrote:
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob...
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob and SC makes that a extremely tight relationship). I am guessing Rob doesn't have the Syndicate team to make money. He sets the budget and that's that for the team, who knows maybe even runs the team at a loss, because he likes DH and owning a team - it's fun for him. Shit if I was a rich guy owning a DH team would be a blast.

Are there any other teams like that? Where there is a wealthy team owner who helps put together the sponsors but is really the financial backer of the team?

Maybe I am way off here...
I think most teams just hope to break even at best... but, there is marketing and product development value to the team...

Santa Cruz was smart in letting the guys pick up individual clothing sponsors.. Let the riders find a little more money ...
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cmkneeland 12/21/2018 9:53am
12/21/2018 9:53am
bikerfilmerboy wrote:
Here's that Neko post. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2018/12/21/7140/s1200_A52B48B8_6DDD_40D8_A8EB_8AC22E716826.jpg[/img]
Here's that Neko post.
You can't tell me this Trek banner wasn't deliberate. Look at the wrinkles! That thing hasn't seen the light of day in some time. Intense? Trek? Either way, I respect a good troll.
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depeche4 12/21/2018 9:57am
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Brian_Peterson wrote:
I don't think it was YT that cut Aaron and Neko, but I'm thinking it was something between them and Martin Whitley.. Unless YT said they...
I don't think it was YT that cut Aaron and Neko, but I'm thinking it was something between them and Martin Whitley.. Unless YT said they were cutting back what they were willing to spend and those are 2 big checks no longer getting signed..

I still can't see the two of them on Intense.. I heard the price Gwin was shopping around was 500k for him, Neko, and John Hall... And most likely a multi-year deal.. I don't think Intense has that money unless what someone said a few pages back is true and Intense has some outside money coming in... Aaron is most likely bringing some Fox, TRP, and Onza money to the table...

Still, it will be interesting to see who ends up where..
Got to be more than that. Troy is getting something like 550 Euros from Canyon just for him. I am assuming that Gwin was asking up words of 7 figures, and regardless of what we think he feels like he is worth that.
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oskimtb 12/21/2018 10:31am
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MPH24 wrote:
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob...
General team question: My understanding is the Syndicate is Rob Roskopp's team right? SC along with everyone else sponsors that team (obviously the connection with Rob and SC makes that a extremely tight relationship). I am guessing Rob doesn't have the Syndicate team to make money. He sets the budget and that's that for the team, who knows maybe even runs the team at a loss, because he likes DH and owning a team - it's fun for him. Shit if I was a rich guy owning a DH team would be a blast.

Are there any other teams like that? Where there is a wealthy team owner who helps put together the sponsors but is really the financial backer of the team?

Maybe I am way off here...
TRex wrote:
You're not way off, there are lots of ways to look at it. I doubt V10 frames paid for the Syndicate. The Bronsons did, the Nomads...
You're not way off, there are lots of ways to look at it. I doubt V10 frames paid for the Syndicate. The Bronsons did, the Nomads did years back, the Blurs did. Santa Cruz, like many other brands, wanted to make themselves look cool. Maybe it was just a love of owning a team. Maybe it was developing a better DH bike, maybe it was learning and developing better trail bikes. There are many ways to slice it. I'd bet that most DH teams are a 'loss'. It is how they use that image to sell the bikes that really make them money, the Stumpy's, the Fuels, the Trances, Patrols and Mach 5's. All those bikes pay for those DH teams. The grey area is how much is it worth to the team owner.
MPH24 wrote:
No doubt its a marketing play for the brands... I was more saying the Syndicate, for example, gets $1.0m in revenue from Sponsors (i.e. SC, Fox...
No doubt its a marketing play for the brands... I was more saying the Syndicate, for example, gets $1.0m in revenue from Sponsors (i.e. SC, Fox, etc.) but the team spends $1.2m between travel, salaries, etc. and Roskopp just picks up the tab on the difference because he enjoys owning a team and being a part of it.
ONE MILLION DOLLARS FROM SPONSORS!!! I think you are way off with that my friend...is more like SC pay salaries and trips and obviously gives the frames that the team needs...and whatever money Fox ask for a full year of service, which is not like the same kind of money as other "non sponsored" team...and then they get free equipment or money from the other sponsors...
but talking about million dollars coming from sponsors...not even in motorsport unfortunately
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sspomer 12/21/2018 10:54am
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depeche4 wrote:
Got to be more than that. Troy is getting something like 550 Euros from Canyon just for him. I am assuming that Gwin was asking up...
Got to be more than that. Troy is getting something like 550 Euros from Canyon just for him. I am assuming that Gwin was asking up words of 7 figures, and regardless of what we think he feels like he is worth that.
dang. troy is cheap! only 550 euros? HAHAHA

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MPH24 12/21/2018 11:01am
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oskimtb wrote:
ONE MILLION DOLLARS FROM SPONSORS!!! I think you are way off with that my friend...is more like SC pay salaries and trips and obviously gives the...
ONE MILLION DOLLARS FROM SPONSORS!!! I think you are way off with that my friend...is more like SC pay salaries and trips and obviously gives the frames that the team needs...and whatever money Fox ask for a full year of service, which is not like the same kind of money as other "non sponsored" team...and then they get free equipment or money from the other sponsors...
but talking about million dollars coming from sponsors...not even in motorsport unfortunately
I'm just tossing out an number... Let's not freak out. I am also looking at that money as total spend for the team which includes riders, manager, mechanics, physio, travel, food, vehicles, and other logistics.

It's probably not that far off for the Syndicate with GM and two top 10 riders (one top 5). If Gwin and Neko, are asking $500K, I bet the Syndicate is close or more - GM isn't doing this for 25K per year. Plus you figure support staff of 5 others, you're probably pushing $750K at that point. Then you got to pay the Silverback (Sven isn't cheap.. haha) and all of the other media stuff for team videos and what not. Travel and lodging for all of those people for the WCs plus other events and training. I am willing to be this adds up cheap and the Syndicate isn't exactly trying to skimp by... there's a reason most teams don't have 3 guys who are legit shots for the top step at every race.

Lastly, my point was that is it the Syndicate that is a business (i.e. team) owned by Rob and the sponsors provide money and resources to that team vs. the Syndicate being an SCB "department."


Edit: If troy is at 550, maybe the budget is 2m... haha
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steeezzzz 12/21/2018 11:38am
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Reece Wilson and Charlie Harrison to Trek

Gwin, Neko, Moir on Intense
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Caleb_Norman 12/21/2018 11:41am
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It would've been entirely worth it for three separate threads to have been started this offseason:
2019 Racing Rumors (sans Gwin & Neko), New Bike Rumors, and Shall It Be Gwintense, Or Just Keep Trekking?
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Brian_Peterson 12/21/2018 11:59am
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Dickscruttock wrote:
Gwin has been asking $1.4m
1.4 for a 3 year deal would be inline with what I've heard... I doubt he would ask that for one year... He knows he would be out of work...
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Tanner_Carl 12/21/2018 12:10pm
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Caleb_Norman wrote:
It would've been entirely worth it for three separate threads to have been started this offseason: [b]2019 Racing Rumors[/b] (sans Gwin & Neko), [b]New Bike Rumors[/b]...
It would've been entirely worth it for three separate threads to have been started this offseason:
2019 Racing Rumors (sans Gwin & Neko), New Bike Rumors, and Shall It Be Gwintense, Or Just Keep Trekking?
I'd be very shocked if Gwin wasn't riding a KHS frame next year
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Caleb_Norman 12/21/2018 12:42pm
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Tanner_Carl wrote:
I'd be very shocked if Gwin wasn't riding a KHS frame next year
You're missing my point. Gwin could be on Mongoose and Sr Suntour for all I could care next season, but either way, no one's bringing up new rumors with credible sources to the table. They just keep going back to the same stuff that was said many pages ago. His name has come up above and beyond enough to validate its own rumors thread.
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