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Shinook
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5/8/2024 5:32am

Anyone running the new Michelin Wild Enduro MS? I'm curious what pressures people are getting away with on them. 

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charlietelesco
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Shinook wrote:

Anyone running the new Michelin Wild Enduro MS? I'm curious what pressures people are getting away with on them. 

have one im planning on mounting up in the back, have a DH22 up front, the difference in weight and sidewall stiffness is marked.

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Shinook
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5/8/2024 6:37am

have one im planning on mounting up in the back, have a DH22 up front, the difference in weight and sidewall stiffness is marked.

Yea, I'm running mine up front and the casing feels much thicker than the old Wild Enduros. It was really slippery yesterday when I rode, I kept dropping pressures but despite my weight, never really felt them squirm. I have no idea where I landed on psi, but it felt like it needed to be run lower to bite on the wet, off camber roots. 

 

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Primoz
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Old non-racing-line Wild Enduros? Aren't the new ones Racing Lines too, so DH casing?

I'm running Racing Line Wild Enduros and at 1,4 bar bonk the rim probably more than at 1,5 bar on a Maxxis Exo...

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I mounted up a set of the new Michelin E-Wild enduro Front tire's - without inserts, started at 25 PSI and they were rock hard, dropped to 23 and same, went to 21 and started to feel a bit more manageable but still really firm. For comparison I have been running Michelin DH22's at 25PSI without inserts and 21-22 PSI with Rimpact V2 inserts and the new wild enduro's felt significantly stiffer than the DH22's at any of the pressures I ran. 

 

They do roll significantly faster than the Dh22's which was a nice surprise.

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5/15/2024 11:46am
I mounted up a set of the new Michelin E-Wild enduro Front tire's - without inserts, started at 25 PSI and they were rock hard, dropped...

I mounted up a set of the new Michelin E-Wild enduro Front tire's - without inserts, started at 25 PSI and they were rock hard, dropped to 23 and same, went to 21 and started to feel a bit more manageable but still really firm. For comparison I have been running Michelin DH22's at 25PSI without inserts and 21-22 PSI with Rimpact V2 inserts and the new wild enduro's felt significantly stiffer than the DH22's at any of the pressures I ran. 

 

They do roll significantly faster than the Dh22's which was a nice surprise.

Thanks, glad it's not just me getting that low. 

When I got them, the guy at the shop says he ran closer to 30 PSI with them, maybe he was talking about the DH tires. My first ride on these was during a particularly wet day with a lot of off camber, wet roots that were very slick and I kept losing the front of the bike. It was very skittish, but it was also a new bike and I was oversprung, so that is probably partly why. 

I started out at 24psi and kept dumping air the entire time, I have no idea where I landed but I never really got it feeling squishy. Later rides I ran around 20psi and it felt fine riding, but it still feels like I could have lost some pressure and even gotten into the upper teens without issues (215lb rider, Geometron G1). I'll experiment more later, but the casing is much thicker than anything I've run before. 

It was also tricky to install. I broke a CC tire lever and nearly wrecked my hands doing so, I really had to stuff the bead down into the rim channel, even then I barely got it on. They do feel really good, though, even at higher pressures and the cornering traction is just as good, if not better, than the previous versions. Fels very precise. 

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Anyone able to put specialized trail casing into Maxxis-terms? Where does it land?

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Primoz
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What's a Schwalbe alternative to Maxxis tread wise? The equivalent to Assegai/DHR2 combo. 

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magic Mary / big Betty 

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owl-x wrote:

Anyone able to put specialized trail casing into Maxxis-terms? Where does it land?

Grid Trail is probably equivalent to EXO+ maybe a little more robust but not quite a DD.

Grid Trail front with a Grid Gravity rear is excellent, and they make tread/compounds where you can do that.

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5/17/2024 5:11am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2024 5:12am
Primoz wrote:

What's a Schwalbe alternative to Maxxis tread wise? The equivalent to Assegai/DHR2 combo. 

I’d say magic Mary/TackyChan would be more betterer. I’m running TC’s on both ends with SS trail front and soft trail rear. They do have excellent traction in corners. Happy with braking performance as well. 

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5/17/2024 5:29am

Thought about it too but I think it's only available in super soft in Germany... 

I was thinking about a super soft trail magic Mary in the front and a super gravity soft big Betty in the rear. I'll be putting an assegai dhr2 set on for now to finally get rid of the Michelin (anchors), but looking towards the future. If Contis become available in a casing/rubber combo similar to what Schwalbe offers (trail super soft) ill try those instead. 

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5/17/2024 10:19am

Big Betty is a weird rear tyre in a way that it does indeed stop you very well when not worn out, but slides left and right just waaaay too much compared to almost anything else - I feel like it just does not hold ground when you need to do off-camberish things, like passing a water puddle on the side.

 

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The Big Betty is a great tire for those who are putting lots of energy/weight into it. Like most rear tires, it rewards those who ride rail-to-rail with fast rolling and sturdy grip when cornering. 
In off-camber terrain it can loose it's footing. This is where the Tacky Chan comes in.

The Tacky Chan development actually started from modified Big Bettys cut by the Commencal Muc-Off team.
They would narrow every 3rd center knob for better grip in off-camber and improved cleaning for wet conditions.
Every second side knob was also hollowed out. This makes initiating corners easier. Hold is also improved in variable conditions when cornering.

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The Tacky Chan has since been further refined, but the core concepts are still there.

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5/18/2024 2:19pm
owl-x wrote:

Anyone able to put specialized trail casing into Maxxis-terms? Where does it land?

Dave_Camp wrote:
Grid Trail is probably equivalent to EXO+ maybe a little more robust but not quite a DD. Grid Trail front with a Grid Gravity rear is...

Grid Trail is probably equivalent to EXO+ maybe a little more robust but not quite a DD.

Grid Trail front with a Grid Gravity rear is excellent, and they make tread/compounds where you can do that.

Thank you. It has been fun learning new tire languages, still love maxxis but these other ones are different and great too

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