2025 Race Talk

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10/2/2024 8:47pm
crooksy wrote:

DH WC needs to return to Australia, granted it's going to be held in our winter, but come on UCI, show us some love!!

brash wrote:
Agreed, but think about it...... where would it be held? Think the infrastructure required. Accommodation, Nearby Hospitals (that isn't a glorified Vet) and a track worthy of...

Agreed, but think about it...... where would it be held? 

Think the infrastructure required. Accommodation, Nearby Hospitals (that isn't a glorified Vet) and a track worthy of a WCDH round?

Don't say Canberra either lol.

A few venues tick some of the boxes, but nothing ticks them all IMO. Take it to Queenstown and I'll swim there.

Illinbah is/was a great track and 30 mins from the gold coast

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crooksy wrote:

DH WC needs to return to Australia, granted it's going to be held in our winter, but come on UCI, show us some love!!

brash wrote:
Agreed, but think about it...... where would it be held? Think the infrastructure required. Accommodation, Nearby Hospitals (that isn't a glorified Vet) and a track worthy of...

Agreed, but think about it...... where would it be held? 

Think the infrastructure required. Accommodation, Nearby Hospitals (that isn't a glorified Vet) and a track worthy of a WCDH round?

Don't say Canberra either lol.

A few venues tick some of the boxes, but nothing ticks them all IMO. Take it to Queenstown and I'll swim there.

Stewyeww wrote:

Illinbah is/was a great track and 30 mins from the gold coast

Dirt Art who runs Maydena is keen to host future World Cup events (and can secure the required government support do so) which WBD are very aware of. 

They are also the operators of Mystic (Bright) which that have also flagged as a venue to host potential World Cup's. 

Unfortunately they understand that WBD have no plans to come back to Australia in the near future.

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We ran DH races at Whiteface as part of the GES series 2007-2010 when the bike park was operational. The 2009 and 2010 races the times were 8 minutes plus with a few pros getting under 8 minutes(Neko Mulally won Pro with a 7.48)I know that UCI will not want a course that long but the . terrain is there with lift access

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We ran DH races at Whiteface as part of the GES series 2007-2010 when the bike park was operational. The 2009 and 2010 races the times...

We ran DH races at Whiteface as part of the GES series 2007-2010 when the bike park was operational. The 2009 and 2010 races the times were 8 minutes plus with a few pros getting under 8 minutes(Neko Mulally won Pro with a 7.48)I know that UCI will not want a course that long but the . terrain is there with lift access

At our 1st Whiteface 5K DH, Jamie Ford won in 6:36 on a course with some added fast sections. We could have made a course that would be under 5 minutes from top to bottom. However, those trails no longer exist and the forest has already reclaimed them. ORDA has since taken over with an unlimited budget and they could easily make it under 5 minutes, but I think they may end the course at mid-station since it gets pretty flat below that. If they did that, the course would be approximately 1,700 vertical. Rumors are floating around that Whiteface will not even be used which would be a travesty to justice.

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mickey
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At our 1st Whiteface 5K DH, Jamie Ford won in 6:36 on a course with some added fast sections. We could have made a course that...

At our 1st Whiteface 5K DH, Jamie Ford won in 6:36 on a course with some added fast sections. We could have made a course that would be under 5 minutes from top to bottom. However, those trails no longer exist and the forest has already reclaimed them. ORDA has since taken over with an unlimited budget and they could easily make it under 5 minutes, but I think they may end the course at mid-station since it gets pretty flat below that. If they did that, the course would be approximately 1,700 vertical. Rumors are floating around that Whiteface will not even be used which would be a travesty to justice.

Mike, I’ve heard from multiple people that they will be using Whiteface.   Everyone who grew up racing and riding there assumes mid lodge will be the finish area, an new lift is going in from the base that will make it easy to get spectators up there.

FUN Fact!

In 1998 when Stephan Girard(the original French dh super-coach) was working for NORBA, the pre-worlds dh team camp had the practice race end at that spot.   

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woodchuuk
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10/3/2024 2:44pm

if i had to guess i think it would be a little whiteface location so they can use the gondola for bike transport. steep woods and slopes, and probably the right vertical fall for the length then wanna run. you guys that have done events up there may know something i don’t though. 

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10/4/2024 10:28am

All that really matters is that we get to ride trails at Whiteface again. Really hope they re-open Whiteface to the public!!!! 

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10/4/2024 10:36am
Mtbbeta wrote:

All that really matters is that we get to ride trails at Whiteface again. Really hope they re-open Whiteface to the public!!!! 

Yes, the mountain should be open to the public year-round. No bikes on Whiteface has been a travesty to justice.

 

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casey79
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Gwin is working with the Lake Placid trail team on the DH track. 

IMG 6791

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10/9/2024 5:30am

In Gwin's story he was at both Whiteface and Mt Van Hoevenburg. Van Ho has the mountain coaster and 1932 and modern bobsled, and the clips with the larger more rugged mountain with the lifts are at Whiteface. The clip with the lift in it is specifically taken at the mid-lodge (Legacy Lodge), where you can see a corner of the lodge in the clip next to the Face-lift. The screenshot that was shared in this thread was taken along 86 on the way to Whiteface from Lake Placid. See the exact location on google maps street view here

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oh man, with the terrain whiteface has to work with that should make an awesome race

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One assumes that they would use the gondola to Little Whiteface peak for the start, for the race track to return to the base, giving approx. 710m vert for the track...

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10/9/2024 4:31pm

bro. Get to work!

seems impossible to lay out and build a World Cup track in one year

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deeboy wrote:
One assumes that they would use the gondola to Little Whiteface peak for the start, for the race track to return to the base, giving approx...

One assumes that they would use the gondola to Little Whiteface peak for the start, for the race track to return to the base, giving approx. 710m vert for the track...

I think a lot of the speculation around the use of the lower portion of the mountain (or non-use) is that it doesn't have the same pitch/steepness as the upper

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deeboy wrote:
One assumes that they would use the gondola to Little Whiteface peak for the start, for the race track to return to the base, giving approx...

One assumes that they would use the gondola to Little Whiteface peak for the start, for the race track to return to the base, giving approx. 710m vert for the track...

jonkranked wrote:
I think a lot of the speculation around the use of the lower portion of the mountain (or non-use) is that it doesn't have the same...

I think a lot of the speculation around the use of the lower portion of the mountain (or non-use) is that it doesn't have the same pitch/steepness as the upper

surely its better than Snowshoe or the US Open...

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brash wrote:
Agreed, but think about it...... where would it be held? Think the infrastructure required. Accommodation, Nearby Hospitals (that isn't a glorified Vet) and a track worthy of...

Agreed, but think about it...... where would it be held? 

Think the infrastructure required. Accommodation, Nearby Hospitals (that isn't a glorified Vet) and a track worthy of a WCDH round?

Don't say Canberra either lol.

A few venues tick some of the boxes, but nothing ticks them all IMO. Take it to Queenstown and I'll swim there.

Stewyeww wrote:

Illinbah is/was a great track and 30 mins from the gold coast

casey79 wrote:
Dirt Art who runs Maydena is keen to host future World Cup events (and can secure the required government support do so) which WBD are very...

Dirt Art who runs Maydena is keen to host future World Cup events (and can secure the required government support do so) which WBD are very aware of. 

They are also the operators of Mystic (Bright) which that have also flagged as a venue to host potential World Cup's. 

Unfortunately they understand that WBD have no plans to come back to Australia in the near future.

Anywhere but the Cains track...

In BMX World Cups we had to align events within NZ & AUS before the UCI would consider coming to the southern hemisphere. So, this would need some form of trans-Tasman planning, to offer a logistical solution to bring the WC DH Circus south. Possibly even look further afield to align an Asian round at the same time...

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casey79 wrote:
Dirt Art who runs Maydena is keen to host future World Cup events (and can secure the required government support do so) which WBD are very...

Dirt Art who runs Maydena is keen to host future World Cup events (and can secure the required government support do so) which WBD are very aware of. 

They are also the operators of Mystic (Bright) which that have also flagged as a venue to host potential World Cup's. 

Unfortunately they understand that WBD have no plans to come back to Australia in the near future.

"Unfortunately they understand that WBD have no plans to come back to Australia in the near future."

This unfortunately, WBD are only interested in return/profit from viewers eyes and money. Any racing in the southern hemipshere costs thema huge amount of money to cover and hence less profit. Our best bet locally is to build up an Aust/NZ series that rivals the French Cup and be content with that for the time being. At least that will give a good launch pad for the local guys wanting to step into teh limited spots that WC racing will have in teh future. Its vital we have a series to foster the development of local riders so they don't have to dirt bag thropugh Europe barely making cuts. A great adventure but not sustainable and leads to rider burnout.

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owl-x wrote:

bro. Get to work!

seems impossible to lay out and build a World Cup track in one year

Loudenvielle did it, wasn't perfect, but is possible it seems

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owl-x wrote:

bro. Get to work!

seems impossible to lay out and build a World Cup track in one year

Loudenvielle.

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owl-x wrote:

bro. Get to work!

seems impossible to lay out and build a World Cup track in one year

Nico_Hrndz wrote:

Loudenvielle.

Hardline, crankworx races, 1199 at Whistler, half the national champs around the world etc. 

Somebody who says you can't build and race a WC track in a year has either never raced, or never built a track, but most likely both. 

Will it gets gnarly and blown out, hell yeah, it's a WC track it happens to them anyway. 

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owl-x wrote:

bro. Get to work!

seems impossible to lay out and build a World Cup track in one year

Nico_Hrndz wrote:

Loudenvielle.

Poland Opener

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10/10/2024 5:17am

There are plenty of people/firms in America that could get a world cup track ready in a year, especially at Whiteface, because it’s very obvious where the track needs to be located.  Can’t imagine much analysis paralysis- just end the darn thing at the mid-lodge.   ORDA is going to charge entry anyway, might as well give all the spectators lift passes to get to the finish line.   

With the XC event across the valley the dh is bound to have tiny pits anyway…

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10/10/2024 6:48am

Not a problem to build a WC  DH race course in 1 year. Much easier than building sustainable bike park trails. Lay it out now and finish construction in the spring. Just need the right people.

 

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10/10/2024 7:11am
owl-x wrote:

bro. Get to work!

seems impossible to lay out and build a World Cup track in one year

Nico_Hrndz wrote:

Loudenvielle.

Hardline, crankworx races, 1199 at Whistler, half the national champs around the world etc. Somebody who says you can't build and race a WC track in a...

Hardline, crankworx races, 1199 at Whistler, half the national champs around the world etc. 

Somebody who says you can't build and race a WC track in a year has either never raced, or never built a track, but most likely both. 

Will it gets gnarly and blown out, hell yeah, it's a WC track it happens to them anyway. 

I don't think it would be a problem to build the track now for an event next year, with the right crew of builders and a good set of eyes on the hill (A-A-Ron Gwin, we thank you). I've also read encouraging words about the track being built before the winter; apparently being smooshed by 8-12 feet of accumulated snow is good for DH racetracks... But, IIRC, isn't there a stipulation in the UCI rules that asks that the track be raced at a national level at least once before hosting a World Cup? Is Whiteface on the US calendar for early next year?

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The temptation to quit the job, grab the shovel, pack the car, and go start digging is strong. I do try and avoid snow though...

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I don't think it would be a problem to build the track now for an event next year, with the right crew of builders and a...

I don't think it would be a problem to build the track now for an event next year, with the right crew of builders and a good set of eyes on the hill (A-A-Ron Gwin, we thank you). I've also read encouraging words about the track being built before the winter; apparently being smooshed by 8-12 feet of accumulated snow is good for DH racetracks... But, IIRC, isn't there a stipulation in the UCI rules that asks that the track be raced at a national level at least once before hosting a World Cup? Is Whiteface on the US calendar for early next year?

I don't think a race was held on the Poland track before the World Cup.  It does not seem that is a stipulation anymore...  

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Nobody at USAC has been paying any attention to any of the rules they put in place re: UCI race bids in years.  It’s ultimately up to USAC to rubber stamp bids.  ORDA is likely gonna get a pass on that dude to their very significant USOPC connections.

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mickey wrote:
Nobody at USAC has been paying any attention to any of the rules they put in place re: UCI race bids in years.  It’s ultimately up...

Nobody at USAC has been paying any attention to any of the rules they put in place re: UCI race bids in years.  It’s ultimately up to USAC to rubber stamp bids.  ORDA is likely gonna get a pass on that dude to their very significant USOPC connections.

given that the schedule is out - meaning the UCI accepted their bid, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the ship has already sailed on the "prior event" requirement

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olddogbmxer
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Not sure what organization ORDA has set up - DH coordinator, trail crew etc. Does anybody know or have any contact info.

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Not sure what organization ORDA has set up - DH coordinator, trail crew etc. Does anybody know or have any contact info.

Last I heard from a Lake Placid kid who lives in Durango now, the MVH event director is in the drivers seat for project dh worldcup track.

Inviting AG over is certainly a good sign.

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