2023 TEAM RUMORS

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1/23/2023 11:49am
krabo83 wrote:

good call, just saw the news that trek factory (XC at least) will be on pirelli tires.

I find this interesting as Pirelli had an XC team on Trek frames just two seasons ago. Now it's the other way around. Does the Pirelli XC team still exist? They were on Wilier last year, right?

Mx

1/23/2023 12:22pm

This Pirelli / Trek racing thing seems to not make a whole lot of sense since Trek has Bontrager tires... Hoever, my theory as to how this has come about: 
-Think this move is more about money than quality of tires (what isn't). Pirelli may be throwing big money at the team (hundreds of thousands of dollars) to be their tire supplier. This will allow them to afford all the big rider contracts they're carrying right now as the bike recession looms.  
-Trek has (for a while now) been a distributor (at least in US) for Pirelli tires. Maybe they will attempt to market this more and sell more Pirelli tires through their channels, thereby getting a cut. 
-Trek's DH riders needed better rubber and Sharpie'ing Maxxis was not a good look anyhow. 
-The XC team probably just came along with the DH team as a package. 
-Trek ultimately is a OEM tire manufacturer. Their race teams need things like more supple casings for XC and better rubber compounds for DH/Enduro. Maybe Pirelli will help with this while Trek can focus on making really solid tires for OEM bikes and to sell in Trek stores. The Bontrager tires are good/great, but with Specialized's T9 rubber they are taking the back seat between those two companies in terms of performance DH/Enduro/Trail market. The Bontrager XC tires are still really good patterns but again they could lack in terms of providing higher TPI supple casings and low tread heigh options for their XC racers. Pirelli could help here as well. 
-Trek sells Pirelli tires and they're probably looking at this as most people just know the "Trek rider" is winning the race and only the nerds care about the tires they're on. So the brand Trek winning is far more important that individual components, etc. Also, they probably got a very healthy pay day from Pirelli for the move which made it make more sense for them. 



 

 

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1/23/2023 12:30pm

Youve put more effort into that than I have done in my whole career. 

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1/23/2023 12:43pm

65CFB7CE-29EC-4086-B224-23CBD9429E60.png?VersionId=lLAhMs.MVRA5w1

 Tristan leimere slightly hinting new team/bike. Can see in the photo running maxxis rubber and sram rotor and caliper…

canyon cllctv?

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1/23/2023 2:04pm

Evie moving on?

 

 

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1/23/2023 3:35pm

Screenshot 20230123 232650 Facebook Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill isn't just there as a placeholder

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1/23/2023 4:41pm

https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/upcoming-riders-lesser-known-groms-…
 

hey all, thought id create another group for posting about up coming riders that have serious talent and skill that are lesser known at the moment but will definitely be ones to look out for. Thought it would be quite an interesting topic

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1/23/2023 5:30pm
mchacker wrote:
Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill...

Screenshot 20230123 232650 Facebook Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill isn't just there as a placeholder

This is great sleuthing!

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1/23/2023 7:47pm
This Pirelli / Trek racing thing seems to not make a whole lot of sense since Trek has Bontrager tires... Hoever, my theory as to how...

This Pirelli / Trek racing thing seems to not make a whole lot of sense since Trek has Bontrager tires... Hoever, my theory as to how this has come about: 
-Think this move is more about money than quality of tires (what isn't). Pirelli may be throwing big money at the team (hundreds of thousands of dollars) to be their tire supplier. This will allow them to afford all the big rider contracts they're carrying right now as the bike recession looms.  
-Trek has (for a while now) been a distributor (at least in US) for Pirelli tires. Maybe they will attempt to market this more and sell more Pirelli tires through their channels, thereby getting a cut. 
-Trek's DH riders needed better rubber and Sharpie'ing Maxxis was not a good look anyhow. 
-The XC team probably just came along with the DH team as a package. 
-Trek ultimately is a OEM tire manufacturer. Their race teams need things like more supple casings for XC and better rubber compounds for DH/Enduro. Maybe Pirelli will help with this while Trek can focus on making really solid tires for OEM bikes and to sell in Trek stores. The Bontrager tires are good/great, but with Specialized's T9 rubber they are taking the back seat between those two companies in terms of performance DH/Enduro/Trail market. The Bontrager XC tires are still really good patterns but again they could lack in terms of providing higher TPI supple casings and low tread heigh options for their XC racers. Pirelli could help here as well. 
-Trek sells Pirelli tires and they're probably looking at this as most people just know the "Trek rider" is winning the race and only the nerds care about the tires they're on. So the brand Trek winning is far more important that individual components, etc. Also, they probably got a very healthy pay day from Pirelli for the move which made it make more sense for them. 



 

 

Here's the official press release from Pirelli:

 

https://press.pirelli.com/pirelli-is-partnering-with-treks-mountain-bik…

PDF Version

The collaboration between the two companies has grown and now also includes the supply of MTB tyres to the TREK Factory Racing XC, Enduro and Downhill teams

This partnership builds on the now multi-year collaboration with the TREK-Segafredo World Tour road cycling team

The teams will also contribute to the Pirelli technicians' development of a new line of Scorpion tyres dedicated to MTBs; the line will be produced at Pirelli's Bollate plant, near its Milan headquarters

1/23/2023 8:20pm
This Pirelli / Trek racing thing seems to not make a whole lot of sense since Trek has Bontrager tires... Hoever, my theory as to how...

This Pirelli / Trek racing thing seems to not make a whole lot of sense since Trek has Bontrager tires... Hoever, my theory as to how this has come about: 
-Think this move is more about money than quality of tires (what isn't). Pirelli may be throwing big money at the team (hundreds of thousands of dollars) to be their tire supplier. This will allow them to afford all the big rider contracts they're carrying right now as the bike recession looms.  
-Trek has (for a while now) been a distributor (at least in US) for Pirelli tires. Maybe they will attempt to market this more and sell more Pirelli tires through their channels, thereby getting a cut. 
-Trek's DH riders needed better rubber and Sharpie'ing Maxxis was not a good look anyhow. 
-The XC team probably just came along with the DH team as a package. 
-Trek ultimately is a OEM tire manufacturer. Their race teams need things like more supple casings for XC and better rubber compounds for DH/Enduro. Maybe Pirelli will help with this while Trek can focus on making really solid tires for OEM bikes and to sell in Trek stores. The Bontrager tires are good/great, but with Specialized's T9 rubber they are taking the back seat between those two companies in terms of performance DH/Enduro/Trail market. The Bontrager XC tires are still really good patterns but again they could lack in terms of providing higher TPI supple casings and low tread heigh options for their XC racers. Pirelli could help here as well. 
-Trek sells Pirelli tires and they're probably looking at this as most people just know the "Trek rider" is winning the race and only the nerds care about the tires they're on. So the brand Trek winning is far more important that individual components, etc. Also, they probably got a very healthy pay day from Pirelli for the move which made it make more sense for them. 



 

 

I am guessing they switched because Pirelli produces a far more interesting calendar each year (IYKYK)

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1/23/2023 10:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2023 10:14pm
mchacker wrote:
Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill...

Screenshot 20230123 232650 Facebook Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill isn't just there as a placeholder

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/275998/National-Downhi…

When you check out the full entry list, pretty much the whole World Cup roster is entered for it, will be well worth a watch. Also worth noting Jamie Edmonson is still entered under Rockshox Trek, so would take the "team" entered with a pinch of salt.

It will also confirm Millie Johnset to Canyon Collective Factory. Screenshot 20230124 061316 com.android.chrome.jpg?VersionId=rnyFsy.NwGQn.8XYLIvSPLwm

 

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1/23/2023 10:30pm
dolface wrote:

Evie moving on?

 

 

nope, she‘s the one i took the trek factory/pirelli news from, wouldn‘t make sense to promote this on IG when she‘s leaving IMO.

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1/23/2023 10:42pm
mchacker wrote:
Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill...

Screenshot 20230123 232650 Facebook Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill isn't just there as a placeholder

MikeK wrote:
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/275998/National-Downhill-Series-2023-Round-2---Fort-William-UCI-C1 When you check out the full entry list, pretty much the whole World Cup roster is entered for it, will be well worth a watch...

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/275998/National-Downhi…

When you check out the full entry list, pretty much the whole World Cup roster is entered for it, will be well worth a watch. Also worth noting Jamie Edmonson is still entered under Rockshox Trek, so would take the "team" entered with a pinch of salt.

It will also confirm Millie Johnset to Canyon Collective Factory. Screenshot 20230124 061316 com.android.chrome.jpg?VersionId=rnyFsy.NwGQn.8XYLIvSPLwm

 

What a gold mine of information 🙂

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1/24/2023 1:47am
mchacker wrote:
Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill...

Screenshot 20230123 232650 Facebook Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill isn't just there as a placeholder

MikeK wrote:
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/275998/National-Downhill-Series-2023-Round-2---Fort-William-UCI-C1 When you check out the full entry list, pretty much the whole World Cup roster is entered for it, will be well worth a watch...

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/details/275998/National-Downhi…

When you check out the full entry list, pretty much the whole World Cup roster is entered for it, will be well worth a watch. Also worth noting Jamie Edmonson is still entered under Rockshox Trek, so would take the "team" entered with a pinch of salt.

It will also confirm Millie Johnset to Canyon Collective Factory. Screenshot 20230124 061316 com.android.chrome.jpg?VersionId=rnyFsy.NwGQn.8XYLIvSPLwm

 

Vero Widmann to Nukeproof

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1/24/2023 2:04am

Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ?

Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon tooScreenshot 20230124-105837

 Screenshot 20230124-105851

 

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1/24/2023 2:41am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2023 2:44am
nicompr wrote:
Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ? Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon too    

Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ?

Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon tooScreenshot 20230124-105837

 Screenshot 20230124-105851

 

Reece Wilson also without a listed team… but has an insta post about the whole pirreli tyres change.

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1/24/2023 2:48am
nicompr wrote:
Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ? Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon too    

Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ?

Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon tooScreenshot 20230124-105837

 Screenshot 20230124-105851

 

I may be way off, but didn't PB racing use Mondraker last year at once of the early races to keep their roster under wraps?

1/24/2023 3:55am
mchacker wrote:
Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill...

Screenshot 20230123 232650 Facebook Browsing the entries for Ft Bill British in May, Henry Kerr entered as Canyon Pirelli and Greg Williamson on Madison Saracen factory. Also hopefully Mr Hill isn't just there as a placeholder

I saw him riding in Lousã with a prototype and Matt on a non-prototype bike

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1/24/2023 8:20am

Some other changes for Trek by the looks of things as Reece Wilson running Burgtec cockpit.. 

Screenshot 20230124-161528.png?VersionId=NkyONGeYeg5xPdi

 

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1/24/2023 10:48am
jakew82 wrote:
Some other changes for Trek by the looks of things as Reece Wilson running Burgtec cockpit..   

Some other changes for Trek by the looks of things as Reece Wilson running Burgtec cockpit.. 

Screenshot 20230124-161528.png?VersionId=NkyONGeYeg5xPdi

 

Didn't someone on the team snap a pair of Title bars in practice last year? Vergier maybe?

1/24/2023 10:57am

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Angel seems to be on an Unno on his latest IG story. Difficult to see clearly but seattube seems to match.

 

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1/24/2023 12:12pm

Hey, all.

There are many suggestions that Slawek Lukasik will drive for Yeti. Recently on the report he had the bike covered and only the tip of the shimano brake handle, ergon oil slick grip, was visible. And now he had a Rondo hvrt road bike on report. As far as I know Rondo has partnered with Yeti. And Yeti has a vacancy in the team. The puzzle is coming together

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1/24/2023 12:23pm

Something interesting to note about the fort bill entries. Dante silva has moved up to be on the canyon cllctv team rather than canyon pirreli

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1/24/2023 12:31pm
nicompr wrote:
Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ? Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon too    

Interesting thing for Tuhoto Ariki Pene and David Trummer : MS Mondraker ?

Looks like Oli Zwar on Canyon tooScreenshot 20230124-105837

 Screenshot 20230124-105851

 

Dante Silva on Factory Canyon, replacing Mark Wallace??
Great news for him!!!

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1/24/2023 12:32pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2023 12:36pm
  Angel seems to be on an Unno on his latest IG story. Difficult to see clearly but seattube seems to match.    

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Angel seems to be on an Unno on his latest IG story. Difficult to see clearly but seattube seems to match.

 

It looks like it and it would make sense. He was aknowledged as a big help in developing the new Commencal V5 and I guess that's a nice thing to have on your resume. Unno currently do not offer a modern/updated dh bike (their bike, if they still sell it, is at least two generations old) and might want to get back to it. He would be a good signing in that regard.

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1/24/2023 12:43pm
jakew82 wrote:
Some other changes for Trek by the looks of things as Reece Wilson running Burgtec cockpit..   

Some other changes for Trek by the looks of things as Reece Wilson running Burgtec cockpit.. 

Screenshot 20230124-161528.png?VersionId=NkyONGeYeg5xPdi

 

schwaaa31 wrote:

Didn't someone on the team snap a pair of Title bars in practice last year? Vergier maybe?

Vergier bent some in a crash. Most likely the change is because Rheeder is off Trek, and Trek isn't going to help Title out anymore.

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1/24/2023 12:52pm
dylanjp006 wrote:
 Tristan leimere slightly hinting new team/bike. Can see in the photo running maxxis rubber and sram rotor and caliper… canyon cllctv?

65CFB7CE-29EC-4086-B224-23CBD9429E60.png?VersionId=lLAhMs.MVRA5w1

 Tristan leimere slightly hinting new team/bike. Can see in the photo running maxxis rubber and sram rotor and caliper…

canyon cllctv?

my son rode with the poutine on sunday and he wasn't on a Canyon...

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1/24/2023 12:56pm

Dante Silva on Factory Canyon, replacing Mark Wallace??
Great news for him!!!

If so thats only one of the two empty spots on the cllctv team taken. Dante might be the replacement for jakob jewett who signed with pivot. The cllctv team might only have 3 riders on it this year. Considering canyon signed pilgrim that might’ve taken some of their budget for a rider similar level as mark. Could be wrong but just a thought 

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