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Absolute gold, this whole exchange LOL "The Scott Twinloc guy" - hahaha

Pivot about to drop a road bike…. Probably has short stays and even shorter reach. )sarcasm(

I would bet my whole fleet of bikes on it still being plastic bullshit that will break when a pixie farts 2 miles away. I think the only person more stubborn than the twinloc guy at Scott is the "maguras must be plastic bullshit" guy.

This forum at the moment (not actually just poking fun)

That's an awfully confident statement from someone with little or no experience operating a company with large scale outsourced production, overseas or domestic. Care to share a factual example? Also what and who is a 'marketing type brand?' Last I checked the bike industry is collection of honest brands, riders, and designers trying their best to make products of value or improve the experience and enjoyment of other cyclists. Of course they also have to market and advertise if they want to stay in business, but both realities can coexist. You're the NZ distributer for Hayes/Manitou and operate a suspension...

The soft undercurrent of a few of these post seems to imply anything made in Asia or engineered by Asians is somehow of lower quality. Engineering really has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity. You can find high and low quality products everywhere in the world. Quality is a reflection of the decisions made by the brand not the the citizenship or location of the engineers. If you are manufacturing at scale at some point you'll need to work with a factory and their engineers. And you'd have a hard time finding a greater concentration of institutional knowledge and...

You might want to double check the built part.

I now see what people were warning against in regards to @Dougal - SC...

Most of the people I know don't buy the $15k bike - they buy the frame from the $15k bike, and then their favorite components, since the factory builds don't have the parts they want.

In response to the latest Tallboy they're going to start making VPP bikes with interrupted seat tubes

I don't think this has anything to do with environmental protection but instead the organisation of the event. Do you guys not remember how often course marshalls were busy fixing the tape when a racer missed a line and went through it during practice? Or how often tape got wrapped in a wheel and dragged with the rider for the remainder of the run? Not talking about all the helmet POV cam footage where at every stop during practice the racers needed to lift the tape to get off an on course. I think the pole are an improvement from...

I think I could count the number of times I have washed any of my helmets ever on two hands...

There’s also Laurie and Alex Fayoulle who kind of said that winning Lourdes ruined his career 🤷🏼‍♂️

Winning a world championship counts for me.....Charlie Hatton.