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https://bridgemi.com/outdoors-life/e-motos-sometimes-mistaken-for-e-bik… Not to totally derail things, but I was thinking about Surron and some other lite emoto manufacturers who who refer to their products as ebikes when they're clearly mopeds or motorcycles instead. Then I ran across this article from a local state news source of how everyone is dealing with it, which i already knew but, I got to thinking what's the potential for a class action lawsuit against Surron for mislabeling and purposely marketing their products as ebikes? Trail centers and even legitimate ebike manufacturers should be able to find standing and it would be a whole lot...

Second coming of the Elixir?

When the Avinox hit the market the 600 Wh battery crapped out when they tested it in full turbo. But that can happen to any battery the harder you strain it at some point. It depends how good the cell quality is and how the manufacturer programs the battery manage system in combination with the motor characteristic. You can also have a conservative or progressive approach for the programming resulting in different longetivity of the cells or depending on their quality. But essentially if you don't have an use case where you want to get only short, high power laps...

Don't see an edit button: The best info on batteries and efficiencies is this article: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/e-bike-motor-test-range-efficiency-vertical-ra… Unfortunately the test does not have the M2S, but in a different test they confirmed the 3% gain. One caveat to the "watt is a watt", is that manufacturers can print whatever number they want, for instance Specialized's 840Wh battery which by most metrics is smaller than a Bosch 800Wh. So it is possible that the Avinox 700Wh has a few more available Wh than advertised.

just like half the DH teams on intense M1s back in 1999 : )

It's wild that my 2018 Lyrik RC2 has been on 6 different bikes and every travel config between 150-180. Still going strong 8 years later with no creaks in the CSU. Best fork of all time. (yes it's red)

I just learned that norway also has some politicians championing for an ebike ban on singletrails which will not get better by the power wars: https://www.singletracks.com/mtb-trails/will-e-bikes-be-banned-on-some-… Would be a shame because they have some of the most scenic and hard to reach trails!

I really appreciate the math. It’s funny when people act like they can’t feel the difference but i succinctly remember the “axel wars” and as a taller rider my riding absolutely reflected that 1.15mmwas a patent thing between the RS & FOX teams and actually ruined front ends handling for most riders when RS lost the war and caved to Shimano fox and 15qr. And 2. 20mm is superior and you can just feel it almost all the time . The older 20mm 29er forks that rock shox made were literally decades ahead in stiffness, to the new podium. So...

Pivot must think that EMTB motors are like Pokemon... gotta catch 'em all! Shimano EP8, Fazua 60, Bosch CX 5, Bosch SX, Avinox M2... only ones they've missed are the TQs.