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brash Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

3/25/2021 6:27pm
Look at it from this angle, here in Australia, Covid thankfully didn't really shit in our cornflakes like the rest of the world as far as financially and lives lost. But we cannot travel internationally. So you have a bunch of people, working from home, saving god knows how much by not commuting and going to Bali for the 8th time this year. They need to blow that disposable cash on something. Any toy, be it a Dirtbike, performance car, caravan/caper and especially Bicycles are getting snapped up for the most insane prices. Some of the Facebook buy/sell pages I'm...
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Brian_Peterson Liked a reply to forum topic MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

3/25/2021 6:27pm
That's what most people don't understand.. These price increases don't mean the shop or the bike companies are making more money.. They need to make a certain amount of money to stay in business. Hell, last week I had some kids bikes that the MSRP went up $10.. My cost went up by $11.. So, that price increase was actually a small loss for us..
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I will try to comment on this one hoping that robots will correct me if I am wrong so I can learn something new (as they do themselves). In my opinion abp is a diffrent animal than the rest since on this design the brake caliper sits on a different part than the rear wheel. on all non abp designs the caliper and the rear wheel rotate together around a pivot or an instant center, so that the rear axle path is tied together with the rotation of the brake caliper. abp ist more like a kona stab with the...
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Follow up question. Is it really axle path that is the primary thing that defines the anti rise percentage for a bike, rather than suspension system / pivot locations etc? Do Horst links and ABP type bikes (the low anti rise bikes) all have a very vertical path?
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I am going to go ahead and say I did notce brake squat. In early days I used to ride single pivot bikes with rather short swingarms, I had a commencal supreme dh (the first one with 180 mm rear travel) and a kona entourage. then I changed to 4 bars (rm slayer, the first one with real 4 bar and then giant glory 00 and 2 norco aurums). the sensation was that 4 bars had more traction while braking and were easier on my hands in braking bumps. the way I see it is that a single pivot bike...
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Cheers for featuring the Death Bullitt
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LTrumpore Liked a comment about Feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/23/2021 8:36am
Also, the rear axle is effectively a suspension pivot that the wheel rotates ever so slightly around as the swingarm moves up and down and the wheelbase changes (bounce up and down with one or both brakes locked and you'll feel it). Depending on the design, the use of the rear brake restricts the free motion of this pivot to a greater or lesser degree which can account for that slightly harsher feeling even when the suspension is sitting high in the softest part of its travel. I personally always liked the feeling this sort of feedback provided, and back...
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TEAMROBOT Added a comment about feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 10:14pm
Great questions- seems like you'd be on Team Hart. Danny was probably chasing those exact suspension attributes with his floating brake arm. When talking about brake squat, "stable" implies a fixed center of mass, which isn't a realistic assumption. Riders can move all around, and what you're suggesting is that a rider whose suspension isn't getting stiff then supple then stiff again from braking will be better able to shift weight to compensate for braking-induced mass shift. Fair point, and maybe you're right. I'd love to know what Danny and the Saracen team observed in their year of testing the...
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3/22/2021 10:16pm
just6979, great points. Yes, you're totally right that when your fork or rear end is extended, the suspension is in a part of its travel that yields a lower absolute spring rate. Totally. What I'm saying is that, when your rear wheel is unweighted, you still aren't generating enough compressive force on the suspension to make it absorb bumps, even with a lower absolute spring rate. For your example, yes, being in the backseat does make the front end of your bike harsh and unwieldy. If you imagine being in a near-manual position leaned way off the back of the...
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Howse Liked a comment about Feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 9:15pm
You're forgetting https://www.mulletcycles.com/ and the peace maker. 🤣
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just6979 Liked a comment about Feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 9:08pm
Oh yeah, of course a 2017 bike is not that short. I was comparing to a 2006ish design, haha. I guess I forgot to say "yeah you're very right about a couple years old bike being fine", just corroborated it by jumping directly to "yo, even a 2006 bike is 'ok' in many ways". I think the comfort and fit can still apply across just a few model years, depending on the bikes at either end and the rider, and you nailed it with those examples. But often times just a 10 or 20 or 30mm larger window of "comfort...
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TEAMROBOT Added a comment about feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 9:16pm
Just6979, you perfectly described why the world’s fastest riders ride forks that are basically locked out, but still ride 30-40% rear sag like the rest of us. It’s not just that they like stiff suspension. Pros hate uncontrolled weight shift, but they love a loaded-up front tire that’s gripping when they brake.
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The real issue here isn’t the squat, the rise, the geo or the tune::: It’s all the hammfisted fucks grabbing handfuls of brake on any bike, all the time, anywhere. Skids? Yes. Braking while riding tech in any way? No. It’s literally bad bike riding. I did it. It sucked. I stopped. It’s rad.
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TEAMROBOT Added a comment about feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 5:48pm
I think you've accurately described the difference in ride feel between long and short bikes, but I don't think a 2017 bike is 2.5'' shorter in reach. That would mean a medium that's 460mm in 2021 would have been 397mm in 2017. That's not realistic. For instance, a large 2021 Santa Cruz Bronson has a 14mm longer reach than a 2017, with a front center that's 32mm longer. So it's better, but not mind-blowing.
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bizutch Liked a comment about Feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 3:05pm
Remember when you could page Dave Weagle to the white courtesy phone and get a straight forward answer instantly?
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eldsvada Liked a comment about Feature BRAKE JACK DOESN'T EXIST!! Advice!! with Team Robot, March 2021

3/22/2021 1:15pm
Then you would be wrong, in more than one ways. As excellently explained by Lord 🤖. What your feeling is brake squat. Also, your suspension doesn't stop moving, but it gets more compressed compared to if you were not dragging the brake, as if you were running a stiffer spring. Fun fact, when Fabien Barrel rode for kona he ran the brake link reversed, to get more brake squat for steeper tracks.
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I would say you are feeling brake squat limiting suspension movement, but its not jacking it up, it's doing the opposite and pushing it into the travel under braking. The effect is like slightly firming the spring and slowing the rebound on a bike which generates a lot of squat while the brakes are on (I think). The positive trade off (at least on paper) is it should help to combat fork dive a bit. As others have pointed out, various people have won many DH world cups and Ews overalls on bikes which have large amounts of this trait...
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No, but we will warranty your brake pads when you have to slow down from escape velocity. We have confirmed that you will reach escape velocity periodically so keeping that speed in check is critical to avoiding the most massive overshoot ever.
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