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That's a minor detail, I think Rocky got around the FSR patent by putting the pivot above the rear-centre line, so technically yes, but I'd say if the pivot is on the chainstay near the rear axle (and the brake link is floating obviously), then we categorise it as a horst link. It's gonna function more or less the same regardless of where the pivot actually is. QED, remember the older Demo where the main pivot was concentric so they could drop all the pivots, including the chainstay one? You can do something similar by raising all of them if...

Kinda funny that Richie Rude won South Africa on the same Saint groupset that's on this prototype 10 years later.

Old does not mean obsolete 😆

On a semi related subject: The clamp load of identically torqued bolts (steel shcs into tapped steel, so not exactly spokes but still) varies by about +/- 50%. It can vary much more than that if dry vs lube etc variable are introduced. I was told this a former manager of mine. And load cell data that I gathered on temporary aerospace fasteners for my old job varied about the same. What I'm saying is spoke nipple torque is not a good measure of spoke tension. Measuring spoke tension directly is far better.

for me there are two answers: 1-some suspension systems are that bad efficient that high pivot make it better(Antisquat) 2- is in fashion to go high

https://i.imgur.com/PNzath0.png From @Marshall Willanholly in the team rumors thread. I see daylight!

#TBT to Richie smoking Loris at World Champs in South Africa

Exactly. You do not put a fender on the seatstay bridge to not cover the 'seat tube' with mud (you do it to prevent mud covering the links in there) and you do not make the seattube THAT chungus only to cut a hole in it without a reason. Obviously I could be wrong, I did say it's a split-pivot about half an hour ago...

those were some fun bikes to build and work on

This can't be it, it's a Horst link!! They hid the pivot very well and threw me off the trail with the chainstay being completely inline with the rear axle.

Short links tend to be harder to optimize kinematics-wise than longer ones (thus Neko opting for the mother of all rockers) as the angle changes through the travel are more severe and can be more unfavourable in certain travel parts.

#TBT https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Prototype-unique-and-random-m…

Agreed on the pivot being mid-high and split pivot design rather than Horst link. Rear end looks quite similar to the Hope HB916 but with a higher pivot and smaller rocker link as mentioned. I think this design lends itself to being quite flexible for fine tuning kinematics while still being nicely packaged. Should we start placing bets on what the kinematic numbers will be???😂

I listened to a podcast the other day where John Hall mentioned some platforms work better on some travels than others. It was a good podcast, other than some guy from off camera that kept butting in, you should check it out.

The rocker size looks just like an Atherton, maybe even bigger.

I don't know anything about this.

Less losses The pivot looks a bit higher than what GT and Trek use (which is a low-high-pivot (lol...)) but I'd say still lower than what Norco and V4 Supreme use, let alone what Zerode did back in the day. Do I spy two shock mounting positions near the BB? Also, regarding horst link... There's a massive aluminium piece concentric to the rear axle. I vote split pivot. As for 6-bar and all, it's surprising to me how small the rocker link is considering it's a long travel bike...

What is this business behind the chainring? I know some high pivots also use a second pulley attached to the bashguard, like the e13 guard on Forbidden's, but this is huge.

It’s not THAT high is it? Looks similar to a Norco Shore or GT DH bike. I suspect it’s a Horst link, can kinda see a pivot on the chainstay? What surprises me most is that Yeti would go with this design? They have their 6bar e-bike platform and their switch infinity designs, so why not stay with the brand identity instead of following the mainstream?