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This jives with what I have heard around and through the grapevine, too. I guess the bikes were damn near ready to go, but something happened when scaling them up for full production. Last I heard there was not even a hint of an ETA for release.

Glad to see this thread revived. Based on admittedly very limited personal experience with just three different frames, I'm somewhat skeptical of the idea that if a benchmark frame size (e.g., a large) has a front center that is 65.0% of overall wheel base, making all other frame sizes ride as similarly as possible requires that they have an identical ratio. To me, it's felt like a 5% increase in rear center has more impact on ride feel than a 5% increase in front center. Would be curious to hear if anyone else has had the same experience. I am...

The Ripley of yesteryear is officially dead. No longer a light XC bike that could shred trails with 120mm. Now a 130mm bike that's pretty heavy and is actually the exact same frame as the Ripmo (just different clevis and shock between the two frames). This plus weird geo changes... Ibis trying to stay afloat/be profitable by selling two bikes with the same frame--just swapping a part and shock.

continue chainstay length discussions HERE as to not drown the tech rumors out https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/The-Internet-Was-Wrong-Short-… started in 2016, @jeff.brines ' "short chainstays suck" thread can live on.

While that is true, if the front center grows without the rear center also growing, the weight distribution shifts more and more towards the rear. This results in being forced to ride with more weight on your hands which is generally undesirable. IMO, your hands should mostly be used for controlling the bike and fore-aft stability, not for supporting your weight. I’m 6’3” and find that many bikes with short CS and long reach force me into a riding position that I don’t like in order to place enough weight on the front wheel.

I'm on team long CS, and I ride mostly tighter, flatter, natural trails. The traction and confidence boost give me, as a 'fast dad' level rider, much more opportunity to push a bike hard through corners and force it through than rely on a bit less wheel base to negotiate a turn. New Ibis geometry is strange - I think we're seeing some fall out from designing one front triangle for multiple bikes. I never wanted a GG for exactly that reason, as much as I loved other aspects of those bikes.