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The crazy thing about the signage is that no one would say peep if it was an immovable object like a tree.

@dubc - likewise. son falls off trampoline and breaks arm. we get a call from insurance company sniffing around about specifics of what happened. was it at our home or somewhere else. condition of trampoline etc...all for xrays and a cast. system sucks.

Maybe someone with knowledge in the health insurance industry could speak to how common this practice is? I broke the $hiz out of my ulna a few years back. A few months after everything had been buttoned up, I received a call from a 3rd party company who claimed to be retained by Kaiser (my health insurance) that was attempting to ascertain potential parties at fault for my injury. While not surprising that there are individuals who are chasing payouts for injuries, I would guess a large number of these liability cases are also driven by big medicine identifying this...

Very well could have been the case... But, I do remember lost wages over his lifetime being part of the amount. But, that is also a lawyer looking to up his cut...

re: snow summit incident - please correct if wrong, but i recall it was the rider's insurance company forcing the lawsuit? i thought the rider didn't want the suit to happen, but insurance wouldn't provide $ for lifelong care if they didn't go after summit? also, really curious how the case was presented to the jury and if the sign post was in a reasonable location or not. regardless, bummer all around

It's not too difficult.. I don't know about Oregon, but in California, the waiver isn't really worth the paper it's printed on..

There's some things about the USA that really, really, suck. Such a shame.

The lawyer must have found some loophole in the park's waiver, most ski/bike resorts have a pretty buttoned up "rider assumes all risks" liability waiver.

I remember that one.. And part of that guy's claim involved him stating how much he spent of protective gear and still got hurt...Doesn't that seem like acknowledging you're voluntarily participating in a potentially dangerous activity? The guy in Oregon claims to be a former pro cyclist? He didn't know the risks on a double black run? Don't get me wrong, it sucks what happened to him, but he knew the risks...

I get that but at the same time, if someone doesn't have enough health insurance to cover injuries without suing the freaking park and ruining everything for everyone, they don't need to be there in the first place. There is no good reason for any of this kind of shit. Its just stupid.

One of my favorite places when I lived in Oregon. Real shame. Ultimately I’m a firm believer that a rider is responsible for their decisions regardless of the quality of trail. But with price of health care and the weak social programs this country has to offer people like the rider I can’t blame them too much for seeking compensation either. Hopefully they can address their liability issues and find a way to reopen.

Such a rad episode. Lots of memories that kinda hit close to home. The getting on a bike and pedaling from the house because that's all you had when you were on your own. I even grew up about 20 miles from where he did and still ride that area from time to time.

Yes Condro!! Always love to hear this man speak. Ryan and his older brother Matt Condrashoff are a wealth of knowledge, and more importantly there’s always an insane story behind how they gained this knowledge haha

Woo you guys that made my day hearing you choppin it up, droppin gems on em!! Some great American storytelling right thurr.

@sspomer Thank you guys for sharing a calm and honest conversation. Everybody’s lived experiences during the last couple years is valid and deserves discussion, not censorship. 🙏🏻❤️

This is probably one of the best perspectives on the entire pandemic I have ever listened to anywhere. It blows me away to hear it here on a mountain bike site rather than somewhere like 60 Minutes. Thank you so much for sharing Kyle. Hopefully Kelly and I will get a chance to say hi at Sea Otter.

Thanks so much for the opportunity to chat Spomer. I’m so sorry for all you have gone through as well and I appreciate you being willing to share. I hope that people are able to come away from this with the understanding that we are all in the midst of such a complex situation and at the end of the day we should try to treat each other with compassion and understanding. Many of us have different life, political, and religious beliefs and that’s one of the things that makes the world so special. As long as we are able...

What did the Best Skier say that wasn't factually true? He nailed it.