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and this is exactly why AI is gonna be an issue lol if people can't detect that sarcasm we are hopeless in detecting how AI can be used to manipulate us. easily, quickly, and en masse

Haro doesn't seem to be on good ground right now.. A lot of BMX models not showing up on the website, the shop i used to work for is telling me that inventory on the B2B is not very good. I'm hearing about a road team they're working with that is owed money.. Maybe the jump into the high end road and MTB segments was too much, too quickly?

FYI, i've stickied the e-bike tech rumor thread for those wanting to go e-deeper - https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailme…

I do think the warranty discussion is super interesting and worthy of its own thread. I have my own thoughts, but I'll save them for if (when) that thread is spawned. I'm sure most of you have seen the YT video from the other site, if not, its worth the watch. I'll likely publish some thoughts over the next 24-48 hours. There is still a fair bit of confusion around what is happening there.

Should we make a Derailleur Tech Rumors derailment?

I mean, I'll go on record and say I much prefer wireless shifting and have been extremely happy with my Gx Transmission drivetrains. That being said, I really don't give a flying monkey's banana on what people run, and I really wish people would stop being so damn angry that wireless shifting exists. I think people miss just how easy it is to swap wireless drivetrains around when you do have issues. When my Gx T-type did die, it was a quick 5 min job to swap to another one off another one of my bikes and keep going, and...

Can we officially rename this thread to "The Derailleur"?

https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailme…

Just to nitpick, Yamaha did not acquire Brose, they acquired the ebike business. Brose is a multi billion dollar tier 1 automotive supplier, likely much bigger than Yamaha (guessing the last part). FWIW in the past it was said that Brose was wiling to modify the drive unit (the casing) to fit a specific manufacturer.

If we look at motorcycles, as @jeff.brines also likes to point out often, there's a lot more integration overall compared to what we have. Bikes are a lot more similar to old desktop PCs that are also slowly going the way of the dodo in favour of more specialized, integrated products. I fear bikes will sooner go this way as well as opposed to a standard ebike motor mount. And I mean it when I say bikes above, all bikes, not ebikes. Even if you had a universal motor mount standard, you'd still need to standardise the battery mount and...

You're kidding right? You haven't seen the patent applications from SRAM around motor gearbox units? Given their influence in the OEM market, there is a 0% chance they are leaving the ebike market, especially given how many electronic products they've been developing. The Powertrain motor is basically just a rebadged Brose motor, but with SRAM software. My impression is it was a way for them to start building knowledge about what works and doesn't, and collect usage data, rather than trying to take over the market.

This. Sram was making wheels to sell more stuff to bike makers. Why in the world would they cut the biggest slice of the pie? Plus integration wise they are the best positioned to increase that. Hell, Sram entering complete bike business makes more sense than exiting ebikes. Also, why is DJI entering ebike market so obvious?

You ever heard of froggy style? It’s kinda like that.