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You're right, upon further review looks like it's just a jade with suntour stickers. Looks to be almost the exact same shock.

Looks like he is using DVO Jade parts on the Suntour shock

to everyone bummed on the discussions and derailment, there is that novel idea of starting unique threads for unique topics.

I've got a real rumor, Kasper Woolley is running a non standard Suntour Voro Coil on his zerode. Noticed while scrolling through my photos from the open this weekend. Lots of fast people running the Suntour stuff.

I miss gearbox talk now. But Pirelli releasing 3 new tires very soon with some interesting names. Curious if they have jumped onto the radial train Scorpion Blacksting Scorpion Emperor Scorpion Red Claw

I’m assuming the three downvotes mean “this thread was never good” lol

There are like 3 completely idiotic conversations happening at once here.

Hey man, you are derailing the fuck out of this thread. This thread is for "tech rumors and innovation". If you want to have pointless pedantic arguments with people, make your own thread for that.

Carbon design and warranty issues and Bickering About it. Now back to Tech Rumors!

As you mentioned, this is old information by many years and product cycles. Yeti does all their engineering work in house from kinematic to ID, FEA and carbon layup along with custom suspension tuning. They do partner with a vendor in Asia for production but all the main work is done in Golden. You can hear a lot of what goes on direct from the main man there in this interview You Think You Understand MTB Suspension? Think Again | Yeti Cycles, Peter 'Stretch' Zawistowski You can also look at their Linkedin page to see exactly who and how many...

I think transition simply believes there is a certain quality in quantity in bike frames. A lot of riders will never notice their slightly misaligned rear end or put the forces on the bike to really cause an issue. On the other hand they sell a lot of crash replacement frames and honor a lot of warranties. They need to store/ship those extra frames. And a slightly cheaper frame makes that affordable to them and the consumer. I don’t think your average transition rider is looking for the best frame. They are looking to invest in riding culture and to...

I now see what people were warning against in regards to @Dougal - SC...

“ The whole engineering world is more collaborative than most outside it would ever know.”

This thread used to be good.

This forum at the moment (not actually just poking fun)

That's an awfully confident statement from someone with little or no experience operating a company with large scale outsourced production, overseas or domestic. Care to share a factual example? Also what and who is a 'marketing type brand?' Last I checked the bike industry is collection of honest brands, riders, and designers trying their best to make products of value or improve the experience and enjoyment of other cyclists. Of course they also have to market and advertise if they want to stay in business, but both realities can coexist. You're the NZ distributer for Hayes/Manitou and operate a suspension...

The soft undercurrent of a few of these post seems to imply anything made in Asia or engineered by Asians is somehow of lower quality. Engineering really has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity. You can find high and low quality products everywhere in the world. Quality is a reflection of the decisions made by the brand not the the citizenship or location of the engineers. If you are manufacturing at scale at some point you'll need to work with a factory and their engineers. And you'd have a hard time finding a greater concentration of institutional knowledge and...

Whistler parking lot 1 reporting in - I just saw @Jason_Schroeder roll past on a very production looking norco DH race bike 🤘

I certainly wouldn’t consider them catalog. But if I remember right in an early Frameworks video Neko talked about using that strategy for their carbon seat stay. Basically design a part, find a factory, have that factory build a mold and design the laminate, then have finished parts delivered. The bulk of composites manufacturing knowledge in the bike industry “lives” in Asia where things are being built. I personally have no problem with that, or companies that outsource their engineering either domestically or overseas. Having worked with foreign and domestic suppliers across a few industries the strategy is always “Trust...

If Transition is a catalogue brand then almost every brand is aside from hand-made projects would be by your estimates then. Since when does it matter ultimately if engineering is in house, us based contractors or Taiwanese contractors? Catalogue implies picking a frame from a pre-designed catalog. Not having a bespoken frame made and engineered for you. Particularly frames like the Spur, which catalogue did they pick that from?