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Do they envision the new system having any applicability to non-DH bikes? Otherwise, it seems like it would be a hell of a R&D investment for what must be a limited market segment (i.e. uber-expensive DH bikes).
*Not that there would be anything wrong with that. A company pouring money into hole with the aim of making something cool rather than realizing better Q4 returns is actually quite cool.
How is the frame compliance compared to other bikes you have ridden?
Why did they choose a dual chain drive for the jackshaft instead of a timing belt (gates etc.) ?
Also, generally curious what the ride dynamics are like. e.g. is it a plush DH plow (session/commencal), or does it have a decent pedal platform that allows you to pump and be nimble / boost jumps, (v10...)
Your questions answered! Thanks everyone who asked a question. We did our best to get them all answered, and Specialized was pretty transparent in their response. And oh yeah, the bike rips 🤤 Enjoy!
Sounds like the team has a lot of linkage options, but none available aftermarket.
Maybe @CascadeComponents will offer something 🤞
On the flip side Frameworks bikes are a beautiful exercise in refining, exploring and taking the 4 bar design in making as uncompromised as possible. Both are awesome in there own way.
Awww... they didn't answer my troll question. 😁
I don't think they answered a few peoples questions. I feel like a lot of people asked about chainstay/stack sizing and are the team members running the next size up chainstays.
I wish it was something that made sense to do. The reality is there aren't that many DH bikes out there. To be able to distribute the development costs enough to have a reasonably priced product we'd need pretty much everyone who owns a new Demo to buy something. It would be a fun project no doubt though.
I'm wishing I asked why they went 148mm rear spacing instead of 157
If they’re buying this bike, they can probably afford some expensive links 🤣
Would be curious to hear your thoughts on what they’re changing… the dog bone link, the main linkage, both?
It’s always been 148. Heel clearance, rear wheel characteristics, etc.
@Jason_Schroeder gets a gold metal for calling out no cable routing on the Stumpy. Chef’s kiss
Hey @Jason_Schroeder wanted to say the video was great. Thanks for asking my question at 12:27!
not always, they tried 135mm for a generation and it was the dumbest shit. I kept DT swiss stock prices us when I raced that model.
Ah that’s right, was that when everyone was at 142 and they stuck with 135? Then folks went to 157 and they went to 148?
I sense a trend…
Same from me - despite no clear answer on the Enduro
Does it come in Root Beer?
Without looking at any numbers for it, I'd assume the link primarily gets used to control leverage curve and the dog bone primarily gets used to correct geo. You may very well have combos where the alterations to the link would produce undesirable geo on their own so a dog bone has to be used with it to get the geo right.
Makes sense. The flip chip in the dog bone then allows for minor geo changes without affecting the leverage curve.
I felt the answer about the price was a little weird. They're not trying to recoup any costs, so they're implying it's a construction/materials thing that makes the price. Again, 350s on a bike of that price doesn't sound like it's a spec choice, and hearing that price isn't a reflection of R&D just makes it raise the question further;
Where on earth is this price coming from if NOT R&D and pro-team economics? It certainly isn't the spec.
Loved the video otherwise, thanks a ton Jason.
As someone who is easily butt hurt, how does a company like yours not see a custom machined part out in the market from a bike brand & not immediately think "Bro...we coulda made that for you....???"
Same thing crossed my mind. The way it was worded made me wonder where exactly the price tag is coming from other than just paying for the "big S". Sure, a 14k bike is ridiculous, but for a brand with the unlimited resources that Specialized has, buying this bike is just a drop in the ocean of their team budget. This is a Specialized Gravity project that got taken over by Specialized bicycles so it got the OEM treatment and is now a distant cousin of the actual bike the team races, so even if your excuse for buying this bike as a "privateer" is to be on the fastest bike out there you'd be paying 14k to not really be on it.
He is implying that the development of the demo is more seen as marketinf and development of the brand as a whole. And that 6500 price tag on a frame really probably just pays for the high drive, features, plus a little extra margin. It’s not indicative of trying to recoup the incredible amount of money spent to develop the bike. Especially considering they aren’t selling demos by the 1000s let alone 10,000s like they do other models.
They will make the profits from the demo in that it’s marketing for their brand and the tech will trickle down to bikes they do intend to truly be profitable. But it’s a halo product for the brand and customers. It’s not intended to be a big profit maker.
I’m going to buy a simple basic FW and then spend the price difference on riding lessons and fitness.
I don’t think it needs to be reasonably priced for a $15k bike
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