E-bike talk: not tech rumor derailment

75nm is a light ebike now. Wow i need to process this

Just to clarify, he didn't say it WAS a high pivot. 

He said "design lends itself to a high pivot suspension design".

I think they should have used the black frames for all their lead marketing images as it looks better.

The Rocky Dyname is a fundamentally different motor to everything else on the market. Starts with a low KV motor that spins at a lower RPM and outputs higher base torque. That lower rpm and higher torque then require less gear reduction to get it to an output rpm for the rear wheel. If we think of this in car terms it's like a naturally aspirated engine vs turbo, both could have the same output but there will turbo lag in the high KV higher rpm motor. Unlike a turbo engine there isn't really a way to tune out the turbo lag (anti-lag systems or smaller turbo that spins at lower pressures) in that high rpm motor, there is going to be delay between pressure on the pedals and the torque reaction at the rear wheel.

looks like orbea has their control system ported to the new avinox wild

Your ankles do a good job of hiding the motor when you’re actually on the bike 

Definitely looks like the avinox remote in this photo where he’s forgot to cover it over.

To change subject from the Avinox vs. everyone else dead horse... 

What do people think the ideal travel is for an ebike that's <50 lbs?  The classic 150/160 trail bike arrangement (argument:  less is more, makes the bike poppier to offset the weight)?  ~170 front/rear enduro arrangement (argument:  need a bit more to compensate for the weight/inertia)?  180+ super enduro (argument: make it a self-shuttle DH bike)? For those 55-60lb behemoths (cough, Norco, cough), I don't think there's any point NOT running as much travel as is possible.

I’m a big fan of the 160-170 rear travel class of bikes. Partly because I’m over 200lbs and the smaller travel stuff can be pretty fragile at times. I would rather drag around extra weight for that piece of mind. (This is my view for mtb and e-mtb)

The current Range VLT is great. 50 lbs, 170/160, good kinematics for solid pop and jive yet still with a high pivot (mid pivot) that lets you plow. I like that for the 50lb mark.

The prior gen range VLT at 60 lbs was a good mauler at 180/170 but not much fun to throw around.

I’d love to keep full power 170/160 but shave it down to 45 lbs.

180 mm suspension feels like overkill on most trails on an E-Bike because with the added weight it will just feel dead on mellower trails.

But I think it's relative to rider weight/strength and skill plus obviously terrain. Same as motor power. 

160-170 mm is where the Sweetspot is in my opinion if you want to ride natural trails mostly and maybe visit bike parks once in a while. If you wanna ride really rough Enduro/dh style tracks or bigger jumps more travel is probably better but the downside will be that with the added weight the bike will feel too planted and muted for tamer stuff. You can mitigate this with more pressure and faster rebound to some degree.

I still long for the hypothetical true dh ebike...

Part of the reason for my question is my Vala can be built up either with the stock 150/160, or ~163/170 by simply overforking and running 65mm stroke shock instead of 60mm.  I did the long travel setup from day 1, never trying it in stock form.  But I really like my Bronson (better than the Nomad I had before it), and had a ton of fun on a Heckler SL when I owned that (150/160 also).  So I'm starting to have second thoughts on whether this might be a case of "less is more (fun)."

I briefly ran a 170 fork on the HSL, and while it made it a little bit more confident on a few steep features, I thought the bike was more fun in 160/150 form.  Just a little bit snappier and more responsive.  Similarly, when I had a Nomad 6, I did run it a bit firmer and in the high flip chip position to try and make it handle faster mellower trails better, and it just never had the same trail hooligan nature of the Bronson I replaced it with (even though the geometry is essentially identical).

But I'm also wondering broadly whether the reason most brands make 150/160 ebikes is because they're the most well rounded, or whether it's because the components in that travel bracket tend to be a bit lighter (for weight spec numbers).

I suppose its ez enough to run long travel and put a few extra psi's in it when you want to dig out the lycra grape smugglers

Seems like it would depend on where you live and what you ride, if it’s a mellow area less travel makes sense.