I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to...
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to make cost/benefit decisions. For a bike to "feel" exactly the same throughout an entire size range, every dimension needs to be scaled accordingly. That includes it's components - most notably, wheel size (axle height). We hear the argument for size specific chainstays, although from business & physics perspectives, it is a much more complicated subject than most care to acknowledge. At the end of the day, this bike in an XL kicks ass. Come give one a try.
This is a great answer. We can harp on about proportional chainstays all we want but the truth is that none of this shit is proportional. It’s not really clear what is and isn’t preserved when changing frame sizes. In reality most people that want to see proportional chain stays just want to see longer chainstays on their bike. They (we) don’t actually care about the CS of a size small and medium
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to...
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to make cost/benefit decisions. For a bike to "feel" exactly the same throughout an entire size range, every dimension needs to be scaled accordingly. That includes it's components - most notably, wheel size (axle height). We hear the argument for size specific chainstays, although from business & physics perspectives, it is a much more complicated subject than most care to acknowledge. At the end of the day, this bike in an XL kicks ass. Come give one a try.
I used to have a nukeproof giga 297 in xl. It's dimensions and f/r ratio were almost identical in xl.
It was a great bike, until I got a taste of that long chainstay front end grip, and then there's no going back.
I'd be curious which size the f/r ratio was designed around ? It seemed common practice to do so with mediums in years past, and the ratio on the medium does look acceptable.
Evil,Thanks for taking questions and to Vital MTB for this forum! I have questions/ comments on three different aspects of the decision to follow the mainstream...
Evil,
Thanks for taking questions and to Vital MTB for this forum! I have questions/ comments on three different aspects of the decision to follow the mainstream to 148x12. I will note that Trek released the 148x12 hub standard in 2015. Ten years later- Trek has released no testing data either in house or 3rd party. Trek told the industry that 148x12 is the hub standard now and nobody asked any follow up questions, we all just went along with it.
STRENGTH
157x12 wheels are 20% stronger than 148x12 for two primary reasons: 1. wider spoke bracing angle 2. more balanced DS vs. NDS spoke tension. Was wheel strength considered by Evil when making the decision to spec a 20% weaker wheel?
Spoke tension difference between drive side DS and non drive side NDS: 142x12: 40% 148x12: 37% 150x12 (157DH): 22% 157x12 (SB variant): 30% (lower tension % difference is better) source link
Lal Katana and the WAO Arrival both run the stronger 157x12 hub using a 52mm chainline. While Shimano and Sram officially list "superboost" as 56 and 56.5mm (respectively), in practice, this is not a requirement.
In other words, "new generation drivetrain designs are based off the 55mm chain line" I agree with this statement. However, this does not necessitate 148x12 hub spacing. WAO was bold enough to optimize their chainline without regard for "what everyone else was doing."
COMPATIBILITY:
This is the real elephant in the room, in my opinion. Banshee solved this problem long ago by allowing riders to swap modular dropouts and allow riders to choose between 142 or 148. Banshee Modular Dropout link Future Enduro, trail and e-Bikes from ANY manufacture could (Should in my opinion) be designed with modular dropouts to allow riders to customize: 1. hub standard (148 or 157) 2. chainstay length (Crestline allows riders 6 chainstay length options with one frame!) 3. 27.5 or 29 (a flip chip could accomplish this as well)
Thanks again!
Thanks for the note & we are happy to be here!
To be completely honest, I think this question is better posed toward companies that refused to tread into Superboost territory in the first place.
We don't need any convincing - we still believe in the benefits of Superboost, although at the end of the day, we are a business who's goal is to actually sell bikes. The market spoke loud & clear on this one, and Boost came out on top.
At the end of the day, Superboost has inarguable benefits in both strength and clearance. The elephant in the room is certainly compatibility, and from a business perspective, that takes the cake without much debate. We've all ridden boost wheels. I'm 6'1, 200lb, and a dirt jumper at heart. I'm downright mean to wheels and while the strength numbers don't lie, I would be lying to you if I told you I could feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel.
Interchangeable dropouts to accommodate different hub widths, chainstay lengths, etc. - we've actually treaded into these waters before, although not as the modern Evil most folks here know. In the early 2000's - e.thirteen was born as an offshoot of Evil (no longer affiliated). This occurred because a handful of bike brands y'all know & love wanted to spec Evil's sweet ass chainguides, but refused to accept anything that had skulls, flames, or "Evil" emblazoned on it. I digress... Anyway, early Evil hardtails like the Imperial, Sovereign, and DOC utilized e.thirteen's HVS sliding dropout system. These accomplished both an adjustable chainstay length & accommodated two distinct hub configurations (10x135 bolt-on & 12x142 thru). The idea isn't new to us, although it does conflict with a couple core elements of our modern design thesis.
We're different - every bike is different. That's what's fun about all this mountain biking stuff.
I hope this serves as a reasonable response & thanks again for your comment.
The new bike looks great guys. And as an owner of a Wreckoning v2, Offering v2, Wreckoning v3, Following v3, and Following LS, I really appreciate all the subtle updates like cable routing, seat angle, seat post insertion depth, impact protection, flip chips, solid allen bolts, and rear fender. I dont currently have a mid travel bike but this definitely piques my interest. Really looking forward to see these changes populate through the rest of the lineup as well.
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to...
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to make cost/benefit decisions. For a bike to "feel" exactly the same throughout an entire size range, every dimension needs to be scaled accordingly. That includes it's components - most notably, wheel size (axle height). We hear the argument for size specific chainstays, although from business & physics perspectives, it is a much more complicated subject than most care to acknowledge. At the end of the day, this bike in an XL kicks ass. Come give one a try.
I used to have a nukeproof giga 297 in xl. It's dimensions and f/r ratio were almost identical in xl.It was a great bike, until I...
I used to have a nukeproof giga 297 in xl. It's dimensions and f/r ratio were almost identical in xl.
It was a great bike, until I got a taste of that long chainstay front end grip, and then there's no going back.
I'd be curious which size the f/r ratio was designed around ? It seemed common practice to do so with mediums in years past, and the ratio on the medium does look acceptable.
Historically, we've always started with the Medium then scaled from there. I might be wrong on this, but I believe the new Offering began with the Large. I'm but a meager keyboard warrior for hire, so don't quote me on that.
The new bike looks great guys. And as an owner of a Wreckoning v2, Offering v2, Wreckoning v3, Following v3, and Following LS, I really appreciate...
The new bike looks great guys. And as an owner of a Wreckoning v2, Offering v2, Wreckoning v3, Following v3, and Following LS, I really appreciate all the subtle updates like cable routing, seat angle, seat post insertion depth, impact protection, flip chips, solid allen bolts, and rear fender. I dont currently have a mid travel bike but this definitely piques my interest. Really looking forward to see these changes populate through the rest of the lineup as well.
Thanks for the kind words & we're stoked to hear you've owned so many of our bikes! Thanks for being a part of it all!
We put everything we had into this one - a true collaboration of our entire team, drawing insights from every corner of the business, and of course our customers. We're stoked that you're stoked!
Feel free to drop us a line if you have any questions - info@evil-bikes.com. We're always happy to help.
Copy and paste from the other thread:The New offering looks pretty dialed, and I did say in a previous post that I would probably get one...
Copy and paste from the other thread:
The New offering looks pretty dialed, and I did say in a previous post that I would probably get one if they went back to Boost. The increase in travel, both front and rear, isn’t a huge selling point for me. My local trails are fairly mellow and my daily driver for the last couple seasons has been a 150/135 mullet trail bike. Just small enough to enjoy my local trails and just big enough to handle rougher trails when I travel to real mountains.
So that got me thinking about the new offering run as a mullet with a 150mm fork, run in the high setting. Is there anyway to figure out what that would put the BB at?
Evil,Thanks for taking questions and to Vital MTB for this forum! I have questions/ comments on three different aspects of the decision to follow the mainstream...
Evil,
Thanks for taking questions and to Vital MTB for this forum! I have questions/ comments on three different aspects of the decision to follow the mainstream to 148x12. I will note that Trek released the 148x12 hub standard in 2015. Ten years later- Trek has released no testing data either in house or 3rd party. Trek told the industry that 148x12 is the hub standard now and nobody asked any follow up questions, we all just went along with it.
STRENGTH
157x12 wheels are 20% stronger than 148x12 for two primary reasons: 1. wider spoke bracing angle 2. more balanced DS vs. NDS spoke tension. Was wheel strength considered by Evil when making the decision to spec a 20% weaker wheel?
Spoke tension difference between drive side DS and non drive side NDS: 142x12: 40% 148x12: 37% 150x12 (157DH): 22% 157x12 (SB variant): 30% (lower tension % difference is better) source link
Lal Katana and the WAO Arrival both run the stronger 157x12 hub using a 52mm chainline. While Shimano and Sram officially list "superboost" as 56 and 56.5mm (respectively), in practice, this is not a requirement.
In other words, "new generation drivetrain designs are based off the 55mm chain line" I agree with this statement. However, this does not necessitate 148x12 hub spacing. WAO was bold enough to optimize their chainline without regard for "what everyone else was doing."
COMPATIBILITY:
This is the real elephant in the room, in my opinion. Banshee solved this problem long ago by allowing riders to swap modular dropouts and allow riders to choose between 142 or 148. Banshee Modular Dropout link Future Enduro, trail and e-Bikes from ANY manufacture could (Should in my opinion) be designed with modular dropouts to allow riders to customize: 1. hub standard (148 or 157) 2. chainstay length (Crestline allows riders 6 chainstay length options with one frame!) 3. 27.5 or 29 (a flip chip could accomplish this as well)
Thanks for the note & we are happy to be here! To be completely honest, I think this question is better posed toward companies that refused to...
Thanks for the note & we are happy to be here!
To be completely honest, I think this question is better posed toward companies that refused to tread into Superboost territory in the first place.
We don't need any convincing - we still believe in the benefits of Superboost, although at the end of the day, we are a business who's goal is to actually sell bikes. The market spoke loud & clear on this one, and Boost came out on top.
At the end of the day, Superboost has inarguable benefits in both strength and clearance. The elephant in the room is certainly compatibility, and from a business perspective, that takes the cake without much debate. We've all ridden boost wheels. I'm 6'1, 200lb, and a dirt jumper at heart. I'm downright mean to wheels and while the strength numbers don't lie, I would be lying to you if I told you I could feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel.
Interchangeable dropouts to accommodate different hub widths, chainstay lengths, etc. - we've actually treaded into these waters before, although not as the modern Evil most folks here know. In the early 2000's - e.thirteen was born as an offshoot of Evil (no longer affiliated). This occurred because a handful of bike brands y'all know & love wanted to spec Evil's sweet ass chainguides, but refused to accept anything that had skulls, flames, or "Evil" emblazoned on it. I digress... Anyway, early Evil hardtails like the Imperial, Sovereign, and DOC utilized e.thirteen's HVS sliding dropout system. These accomplished both an adjustable chainstay length & accommodated two distinct hub configurations (10x135 bolt-on & 12x142 thru). The idea isn't new to us, although it does conflict with a couple core elements of our modern design thesis.
We're different - every bike is different. That's what's fun about all this mountain biking stuff.
I hope this serves as a reasonable response & thanks again for your comment.
thank you.
I hope in the future (especially for any future e-bike update) you remain open minded to modular dropouts as a means to adjust hub spec, chainstay length etc.
Quick thought on this comment "feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel."
This is a clarification for Vital MTB readers and not meant as a disagreement: Strength by definition is not something you can "feel" when riding. In theory you can feel compliance/ stiffness (which are the inverse of each other) on a wheel. However, in practice many believe that perceptible compliance on a modern mountain bike is coming from suspension setup, tire selection, tire pressure etc - not the wheel.
Strength Not perceptible when riding. Can be measured/ quantified? yes A measure of the maximum stress a material can withstand before it permanently deforms or breaks.
Stiffness Can be perceptible when riding. Can be measured/ quantified? yes A measure of a material's resistance to elastic deformation under load. Stiffness is inverse of compliance.
Analog bikes are less and less in demand today, especially in Europe (but more and more in the US as well). What is the thought process of bringing out a new Analog bike and not an Ebike in today's market ? An updated Epocalypse with an Avinox system (or similar) would have sold like horcakes...
The current Epocalypse is a Rad bike !! But highly not appreciated enough due to the use of the (Very) outdated Shimano system.
Today Evil launches the new Offering and they join us here to answer all your questions!Fire your queries to the Evil Bikes crew below.New...
Today Evil launches the new Offering and they join us here to answer all your questions!
Fire your queries to the Evil Bikes crew below.
New Offering Highlights
YOU WIN - IT'S NOT SUPERBOOST! (more on that below)
29-inch wheels
151mm travel, up 10mm from previous
Latest generation of DELTA + Geometry + Kinematics
Three different fork lengths - 160mm optimized but can run 150 or 170mm forks
Two Rip Chip positions (High/Low) to get:
Head Tube Angle Range of 63.5 deg to 65.2 deg.
Seat Tube Angle Range of 77.9 deg to 79.3 deg
Only requires removal and loosening of two bolts to change chip positions
Geometry compared to previous Offering
0.5 deg slacker HT angle – 64.7 to 64.2 degrees
5mm longer Chain Stay
20mm longer front center
2 degree steeper ST Angle – 77 deg to 79 deg
Virtual Top tube lost 33mm (size LG)
Reach is nearly identical
Boost 148 Rear Spacing with 55mm Chain Line
Boost Mode. The dust has settled, and the market has spoken. Evil-0, Industry-1. We’re back to Boost, baby! We’ve enlisted a Boost 148mm rear hub with 55mm chain line to maximize compatibility and provide a smoother, more compliant ride.
Reason for the change
Super Boost 56.5mm chain line allowed Evil to gain significant tire clearance as compared to an old style 52mm chain line.
Old style 52mm chain line combined with boost 148 rear end caused chain to skate down the cassette at even a slight hint of a back pedal from the rider. 56.5mm chain line and 157 Super Boost Rear end fixed this inherent boost chain line drivetrain performance issue.
New chain line standard is 55mm which allows for all the tire clearance we need.
New generation drivetrain designs are based off the 55mm chain line which vastly improves drivetrain performance
Hardware
Large main pivot, all other pivots forward of the seat tube result in minimal flex at each pivot
Longer lasting pivot bearings
8x30 lower shock hardware and longer lower shock bolt with a deeper broach
6mm fastener Trunnion bolts
Linkage bolts go from hollow to solid
Rear Axle
Lighter weight
6mm fastener head for added durability
174mm x 12mm size, 1.0 Thread Pitch
Frame Details
Cleaner silhouette, smoother cable routing
Lunchbox downtube storage with waterproof bag
Water bottle mount
Piggyback shock compatible
One piece rear triangle with significant rear-to-front triangle overlap
Updated sag indicator
New DELTA Links and Bone Links
Inside voice protection package
Side mount seat collar split
What didn’t change?
Bearing size
Main Pivot width
Main Pivot Spacers
Lower shock bolt expanding collet
Headset Spec – It is still angle headset compatible, though we believe the Head Tube is slack enough to not warrant use of an angle headset
Seat Collar 34.9mm collar for 30.9mm seat post diameter
Seat Post Diameter – 30.9mm
Carbon Internal guide tubes for super easy housing routing through the frame
2-Bolt ISCG Chain Guide and Bash Guard Tabs
73mm Threaded BSA Bottom Bracket
180mm Post Mount Rear Brake Mount
UDH Rear Hanger and Transmission Rear Derailleur compatible
Geometry Chart with 160 or 170mm fork
Build Options & Pricing
The Offering can be purchased as a frame-only or in a variety of build combos with RockShox suspension, SRAM drivetrains and brakes, Industry 9 wheels and Maxxis tires.
Absolutely love my V3 Following. Ditched the RS Ultimate in favor of an Ohlins ttx air. Best upgrade! Sad to hear a V4 is not in the works. Given the current state of the industry, totally understandable.
Love the updates on the Offering! I would have called the lunchbox ( lame.. ) “the coffin” though. Otherwise looks primo!
You guys came up with Scarfcophagus?Not "Sarcophagus" but a sarcophagus full of things you'd scarf?It was ALMOST too stupid for me to type out. No one...
You guys came up with Scarfcophagus?
Not "Sarcophagus" but a sarcophagus full of things you'd scarf?
It was ALMOST too stupid for me to type out. No one would have brought THAT to a meeting!
Cool to see a new Offering debut amidst such a challenging time for the industry. The Calling is the one I legitimately miss, and I suppose the only way I'll ever get to replace it is if I find a nice used one.
An updated Following might be nice. Looking for something that can condense a Top Fuel and a Ripmo into one bike.
Thank you for your comment - this is addressed in another comment/reply within this thread. And no - of course every size does not ride exactly...
Thank you for your comment - this is addressed in another comment/reply within this thread. And no - of course every size does not ride exactly the same.
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to...
I happen to ride an XL. We thoroughly acknowledge the logic behind size specific chainstays, although we are a business, and like any, we need to make cost/benefit decisions. For a bike to "feel" exactly the same throughout an entire size range, every dimension needs to be scaled accordingly. That includes it's components - most notably, wheel size (axle height). We hear the argument for size specific chainstays, although from business & physics perspectives, it is a much more complicated subject than most care to acknowledge. At the end of the day, this bike in an XL kicks ass. Come give one a try.
From the business decision side of things, I totally get it. Design the bike to ride the best in the size you sell the most, the medium. That’s the size, for this bike, that’s real close to that front to rear center ratio of ~1.8 that I find really works for my riding style in my old school east coast terrain. Rear wheels and rear triangles last longer too as there’s less weight driving into the rear wheel all the time, a big factor when you are a 210lb XL bike rider.
Looking back at the V1 Offering, I rented one in Sedona in size large and it was amazing, that was a 1.85 I think.
My most recent bike purchase I went down a size to get closer to that 1.8 ideal, and I’m having so much fun on that bike. Carves better, easier to get through the tight stuff, and probably most importantly for me, it pops side hits and jumps much more naturally.
From the business decision side of things, I totally get it. Design the bike to ride the best in the size you sell the most, the...
From the business decision side of things, I totally get it. Design the bike to ride the best in the size you sell the most, the medium. That’s the size, for this bike, that’s real close to that front to rear center ratio of ~1.8 that I find really works for my riding style in my old school east coast terrain. Rear wheels and rear triangles last longer too as there’s less weight driving into the rear wheel all the time, a big factor when you are a 210lb XL bike rider.
Looking back at the V1 Offering, I rented one in Sedona in size large and it was amazing, that was a 1.85 I think.
My most recent bike purchase I went down a size to get closer to that 1.8 ideal, and I’m having so much fun on that bike. Carves better, easier to get through the tight stuff, and probably most importantly for me, it pops side hits and jumps much more naturally.
just offer one size then, saves even more by having only one mold!!1111
Great looking bike.Very short chainstays equating to a 1.9 f/r ratio in size large. That's moving in the opposite direction to where most bikes are headed...
Great looking bike.
Very short chainstays equating to a 1.9 f/r ratio in size large. That's moving in the opposite direction to where most bikes are headed lately. Medium looks good at 1.83 f/r though. The large and XL are going to be relegated to "arizona" bikes, where corners are slow, and the steps are large. Short chainstays are good there.
Hopefully the updated insurgent/wreckoning have a better balance in the larger sizes.
What are you going on about? A bike is only useful for a region because of some made up ratio keyboard warriors use to justify their geo. Been riding EVILS for years, all over Europe , US, Canada, South America. They ride amazing everywhere. If you actually learn how to ride a bike with a short chain stay, your mystical golden ratio of bike useability is a crock of nonsense. That's coming from someone who has ridden 1.7-1.93's. You can ride the rubber off all of them, they just require different rider inputs to maximize the handling characteristics. Full stop, PERIOD
This is a great answer. We can harp on about proportional chainstays all we want but the truth is that none of this shit is proportional. It’s not really clear what is and isn’t preserved when changing frame sizes. In reality most people that want to see proportional chain stays just want to see longer chainstays on their bike. They (we) don’t actually care about the CS of a size small and medium
Our friends at Deity Components own this one. It was one of many names that were brainstormed & axed because it had already been used.
I used to have a nukeproof giga 297 in xl. It's dimensions and f/r ratio were almost identical in xl.
It was a great bike, until I got a taste of that long chainstay front end grip, and then there's no going back.
I'd be curious which size the f/r ratio was designed around ? It seemed common practice to do so with mediums in years past, and the ratio on the medium does look acceptable.
Thanks for the note & we are happy to be here!
To be completely honest, I think this question is better posed toward companies that refused to tread into Superboost territory in the first place.
We don't need any convincing - we still believe in the benefits of Superboost, although at the end of the day, we are a business who's goal is to actually sell bikes. The market spoke loud & clear on this one, and Boost came out on top.
At the end of the day, Superboost has inarguable benefits in both strength and clearance. The elephant in the room is certainly compatibility, and from a business perspective, that takes the cake without much debate. We've all ridden boost wheels. I'm 6'1, 200lb, and a dirt jumper at heart. I'm downright mean to wheels and while the strength numbers don't lie, I would be lying to you if I told you I could feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel.
Interchangeable dropouts to accommodate different hub widths, chainstay lengths, etc. - we've actually treaded into these waters before, although not as the modern Evil most folks here know. In the early 2000's - e.thirteen was born as an offshoot of Evil (no longer affiliated). This occurred because a handful of bike brands y'all know & love wanted to spec Evil's sweet ass chainguides, but refused to accept anything that had skulls, flames, or "Evil" emblazoned on it. I digress... Anyway, early Evil hardtails like the Imperial, Sovereign, and DOC utilized e.thirteen's HVS sliding dropout system. These accomplished both an adjustable chainstay length & accommodated two distinct hub configurations (10x135 bolt-on & 12x142 thru). The idea isn't new to us, although it does conflict with a couple core elements of our modern design thesis.
We're different - every bike is different. That's what's fun about all this mountain biking stuff.
I hope this serves as a reasonable response & thanks again for your comment.
The new bike looks great guys. And as an owner of a Wreckoning v2, Offering v2, Wreckoning v3, Following v3, and Following LS, I really appreciate all the subtle updates like cable routing, seat angle, seat post insertion depth, impact protection, flip chips, solid allen bolts, and rear fender. I dont currently have a mid travel bike but this definitely piques my interest. Really looking forward to see these changes populate through the rest of the lineup as well.
Historically, we've always started with the Medium then scaled from there. I might be wrong on this, but I believe the new Offering began with the Large. I'm but a meager keyboard warrior for hire, so don't quote me on that.
Thanks for the kind words & we're stoked to hear you've owned so many of our bikes! Thanks for being a part of it all!
We put everything we had into this one - a true collaboration of our entire team, drawing insights from every corner of the business, and of course our customers. We're stoked that you're stoked!
Feel free to drop us a line if you have any questions - info@evil-bikes.com. We're always happy to help.
https://bike-stats.de/en/geometrie_rechner here
Are you guys sending some frames to Ridewrap for sizing the tailored kits?
You win this round.
My thought was the coffin...
Scarfcophagus?
Tool Tomb?
The Morgue?
Scarfcophagus.
Nicely done.
Gnarcophagus
Historically, they've come to us - I'm sure we'll see them soon. They're not far from HQ.
Also crossed the brainstorming table - I leaned into this one, but the team felt it was a bit much.
Yepp, all of which were discussed as well.
Alright - this is the first that I will entirely admit did not cross the idea board. Solid thought on that one. 10/10
thank you.
I hope in the future (especially for any future e-bike update) you remain open minded to modular dropouts as a means to adjust hub spec, chainstay length etc.
Quick thought on this comment "feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel."
This is a clarification for Vital MTB readers and not meant as a disagreement: Strength by definition is not something you can "feel" when riding. In theory you can feel compliance/ stiffness (which are the inverse of each other) on a wheel. However, in practice many believe that perceptible compliance on a modern mountain bike is coming from suspension setup, tire selection, tire pressure etc - not the wheel.
Strength
Not perceptible when riding.
Can be measured/ quantified? yes
A measure of the maximum stress a material can withstand before it permanently deforms or breaks.
Stiffness
Can be perceptible when riding.
Can be measured/ quantified? yes
A measure of a material's resistance to elastic deformation under load. Stiffness is inverse of compliance.
Business/Strategy related question :
Analog bikes are less and less in demand today, especially in Europe (but more and more in the US as well). What is the thought process of bringing out a new Analog bike and not an Ebike in today's market ? An updated Epocalypse with an Avinox system (or similar) would have sold like horcakes...
The current Epocalypse is a Rad bike !! But highly not appreciated enough due to the use of the (Very) outdated Shimano system.
You guys came up with Scarfcophagus?
Not "Sarcophagus" but a sarcophagus full of things you'd scarf?
It was ALMOST too stupid for me to type out. No one would have brought THAT to a meeting!
Absolutely love my V3 Following. Ditched the RS Ultimate in favor of an Ohlins ttx air. Best upgrade! Sad to hear a V4 is not in the works. Given the current state of the industry, totally understandable.
Love the updates on the Offering! I would have called the lunchbox ( lame.. ) “the coffin” though. Otherwise looks primo!
I greatly appreciated this.
Cool to see a new Offering debut amidst such a challenging time for the industry. The Calling is the one I legitimately miss, and I suppose the only way I'll ever get to replace it is if I find a nice used one.
An updated Following might be nice. Looking for something that can condense a Top Fuel and a Ripmo into one bike.
Any word on new Sov or Imperial? I miss the classics.
The Sovereign was the frame I wanted back then..
From the business decision side of things, I totally get it. Design the bike to ride the best in the size you sell the most, the medium. That’s the size, for this bike, that’s real close to that front to rear center ratio of ~1.8 that I find really works for my riding style in my old school east coast terrain. Rear wheels and rear triangles last longer too as there’s less weight driving into the rear wheel all the time, a big factor when you are a 210lb XL bike rider.
Looking back at the V1 Offering, I rented one in Sedona in size large and it was amazing, that was a 1.85 I think.
My most recent bike purchase I went down a size to get closer to that 1.8 ideal, and I’m having so much fun on that bike. Carves better, easier to get through the tight stuff, and probably most importantly for me, it pops side hits and jumps much more naturally.
just offer one size then, saves even more by having only one mold!!1111
What are you going on about? A bike is only useful for a region because of some made up ratio keyboard warriors use to justify their geo. Been riding EVILS for years, all over Europe , US, Canada, South America. They ride amazing everywhere. If you actually learn how to ride a bike with a short chain stay, your mystical golden ratio of bike useability is a crock of nonsense. That's coming from someone who has ridden 1.7-1.93's. You can ride the rubber off all of them, they just require different rider inputs to maximize the handling characteristics. Full stop, PERIOD
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