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This is a great answer. We can harp on about proportional chainstays all we want but the truth is that none of this shit is proportional. It’s not really clear what is and isn’t preserved when changing frame sizes. In reality most people that want to see proportional chain stays just want to see longer chainstays on their bike. They (we) don’t actually care about the CS of a size small and medium
Our friends at Deity Components own this one. It was one of many names that were brainstormed & axed because it had already been used.
I used to have a nukeproof giga 297 in xl. It's dimensions and f/r ratio were almost identical in xl.
It was a great bike, until I got a taste of that long chainstay front end grip, and then there's no going back.
I'd be curious which size the f/r ratio was designed around ? It seemed common practice to do so with mediums in years past, and the ratio on the medium does look acceptable.
Thanks for the note & we are happy to be here!
To be completely honest, I think this question is better posed toward companies that refused to tread into Superboost territory in the first place.
We don't need any convincing - we still believe in the benefits of Superboost, although at the end of the day, we are a business who's goal is to actually sell bikes. The market spoke loud & clear on this one, and Boost came out on top.
At the end of the day, Superboost has inarguable benefits in both strength and clearance. The elephant in the room is certainly compatibility, and from a business perspective, that takes the cake without much debate. We've all ridden boost wheels. I'm 6'1, 200lb, and a dirt jumper at heart. I'm downright mean to wheels and while the strength numbers don't lie, I would be lying to you if I told you I could feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel.
Interchangeable dropouts to accommodate different hub widths, chainstay lengths, etc. - we've actually treaded into these waters before, although not as the modern Evil most folks here know. In the early 2000's - e.thirteen was born as an offshoot of Evil (no longer affiliated). This occurred because a handful of bike brands y'all know & love wanted to spec Evil's sweet ass chainguides, but refused to accept anything that had skulls, flames, or "Evil" emblazoned on it. I digress... Anyway, early Evil hardtails like the Imperial, Sovereign, and DOC utilized e.thirteen's HVS sliding dropout system. These accomplished both an adjustable chainstay length & accommodated two distinct hub configurations (10x135 bolt-on & 12x142 thru). The idea isn't new to us, although it does conflict with a couple core elements of our modern design thesis.
We're different - every bike is different. That's what's fun about all this mountain biking stuff.
I hope this serves as a reasonable response & thanks again for your comment.
The new bike looks great guys. And as an owner of a Wreckoning v2, Offering v2, Wreckoning v3, Following v3, and Following LS, I really appreciate all the subtle updates like cable routing, seat angle, seat post insertion depth, impact protection, flip chips, solid allen bolts, and rear fender. I dont currently have a mid travel bike but this definitely piques my interest. Really looking forward to see these changes populate through the rest of the lineup as well.
Historically, we've always started with the Medium then scaled from there. I might be wrong on this, but I believe the new Offering began with the Large. I'm but a meager keyboard warrior for hire, so don't quote me on that.
Thanks for the kind words & we're stoked to hear you've owned so many of our bikes! Thanks for being a part of it all!
We put everything we had into this one - a true collaboration of our entire team, drawing insights from every corner of the business, and of course our customers. We're stoked that you're stoked!
Feel free to drop us a line if you have any questions - info@evil-bikes.com. We're always happy to help.
https://bike-stats.de/en/geometrie_rechner here
Are you guys sending some frames to Ridewrap for sizing the tailored kits?
You win this round.
My thought was the coffin...
Scarfcophagus?
Tool Tomb?
The Morgue?
Scarfcophagus.
Nicely done.
Gnarcophagus
Historically, they've come to us - I'm sure we'll see them soon. They're not far from HQ.
Also crossed the brainstorming table - I leaned into this one, but the team felt it was a bit much.
Yepp, all of which were discussed as well.
Alright - this is the first that I will entirely admit did not cross the idea board. Solid thought on that one. 10/10
thank you.
I hope in the future (especially for any future e-bike update) you remain open minded to modular dropouts as a means to adjust hub spec, chainstay length etc.
Quick thought on this comment "feel a tangible difference between a Boost & a Superboost rear wheel."
This is a clarification for Vital MTB readers and not meant as a disagreement: Strength by definition is not something you can "feel" when riding. In theory you can feel compliance/ stiffness (which are the inverse of each other) on a wheel. However, in practice many believe that perceptible compliance on a modern mountain bike is coming from suspension setup, tire selection, tire pressure etc - not the wheel.
Strength
Not perceptible when riding.
Can be measured/ quantified? yes
A measure of the maximum stress a material can withstand before it permanently deforms or breaks.
Stiffness
Can be perceptible when riding.
Can be measured/ quantified? yes
A measure of a material's resistance to elastic deformation under load. Stiffness is inverse of compliance.
Business/Strategy related question :
Analog bikes are less and less in demand today, especially in Europe (but more and more in the US as well). What is the thought process of bringing out a new Analog bike and not an Ebike in today's market ? An updated Epocalypse with an Avinox system (or similar) would have sold like horcakes...
The current Epocalypse is a Rad bike !! But highly not appreciated enough due to the use of the (Very) outdated Shimano system.
You guys came up with Scarfcophagus?
Not "Sarcophagus" but a sarcophagus full of things you'd scarf?
It was ALMOST too stupid for me to type out. No one would have brought THAT to a meeting!
Absolutely love my V3 Following. Ditched the RS Ultimate in favor of an Ohlins ttx air. Best upgrade! Sad to hear a V4 is not in the works. Given the current state of the industry, totally understandable.
Love the updates on the Offering! I would have called the lunchbox ( lame.. ) “the coffin” though. Otherwise looks primo!
I greatly appreciated this.
Cool to see a new Offering debut amidst such a challenging time for the industry. The Calling is the one I legitimately miss, and I suppose the only way I'll ever get to replace it is if I find a nice used one.
An updated Following might be nice. Looking for something that can condense a Top Fuel and a Ripmo into one bike.
Any word on new Sov or Imperial? I miss the classics.
The Sovereign was the frame I wanted back then..
From the business decision side of things, I totally get it. Design the bike to ride the best in the size you sell the most, the medium. That’s the size, for this bike, that’s real close to that front to rear center ratio of ~1.8 that I find really works for my riding style in my old school east coast terrain. Rear wheels and rear triangles last longer too as there’s less weight driving into the rear wheel all the time, a big factor when you are a 210lb XL bike rider.
Looking back at the V1 Offering, I rented one in Sedona in size large and it was amazing, that was a 1.85 I think.
My most recent bike purchase I went down a size to get closer to that 1.8 ideal, and I’m having so much fun on that bike. Carves better, easier to get through the tight stuff, and probably most importantly for me, it pops side hits and jumps much more naturally.
just offer one size then, saves even more by having only one mold!!1111
What are you going on about? A bike is only useful for a region because of some made up ratio keyboard warriors use to justify their geo. Been riding EVILS for years, all over Europe , US, Canada, South America. They ride amazing everywhere. If you actually learn how to ride a bike with a short chain stay, your mystical golden ratio of bike useability is a crock of nonsense. That's coming from someone who has ridden 1.7-1.93's. You can ride the rubber off all of them, they just require different rider inputs to maximize the handling characteristics. Full stop, PERIOD
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