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Primoz
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9/17/2025 11:47am
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I kind of feel this layout might be the next crab. It opens up the space for a water bottle even more than the vertical shock...

I kind of feel this layout might be the next crab. It opens up the space for a water bottle even more than the vertical shock orientation and it stresses the seat tube to a lesser degree, instead loading the top tube which can be bigger/stronger than the usually very defined seat tube. 

jalopyj wrote:

Isn't this the same crab layout as the older gen Rocky Mountain Altitude and Bird frames?

Correct. And there are a few other bikes with this layout out there as well. Therefore me saying I feel this might be the next crab. 

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9/17/2025 2:09pm

Hayes Dominions are on the market for a while now nd after trying some other brakes they are the one I keep coming back to. I wonder if anyone heard anything about Hayes jumping on the Mineral Oil trend as well? Or maybe a new version with minor updates like tool free bitepoint adjustment…

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chriskief wrote:
Bit different rear end on Loris' Supreme...

Bit different rear end on Loris' Supreme...

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dolface wrote:

Looks like UDH and T-Type mech?

chriskief wrote:

Pivot has moved up to the seat stay as well.

A better angle of the UDH rear end...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.41.53%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=pBwXpdb.6hmtDDpJep
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dolface wrote:

Looks like UDH and T-Type mech?

chriskief wrote:

Pivot has moved up to the seat stay as well.

chriskief wrote:
A better angle of the UDH rear end...

A better angle of the UDH rear end...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.41.53%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=pBwXpdb.6hmtDDpJep

And how about that caliper placement...

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chriskief wrote:

Pivot has moved up to the seat stay as well.

chriskief wrote:
A better angle of the UDH rear end...

A better angle of the UDH rear end...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.41.53%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=pBwXpdb.6hmtDDpJep
chriskief wrote:
And how about that caliper placement...

And how about that caliper placement...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.47.46%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=1gD8WgO1yI.bY5k

You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

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9/17/2025 4:21pm Edited Date/Time 9/17/2025 5:02pm
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Is this a new Boxxer I see....... 👀

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9/17/2025 5:16pm
chriskief wrote:
A better angle of the UDH rear end...

A better angle of the UDH rear end...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.41.53%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=pBwXpdb.6hmtDDpJep
chriskief wrote:
And how about that caliper placement...

And how about that caliper placement...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.47.46%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=1gD8WgO1yI.bY5k
chriskief wrote:
You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 7.00.31%E2%80%AFPM

Bit of a Girth merchant that rear end

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Is this a new Boxxer I see....... 👀
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Is this a new Boxxer I see....... 👀

Other than the stickers, doesn't look like the new one that was spotted.

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9/17/2025 7:22pm

How does everyone want to celebrate once we hit 1000 pages on the thread? I was thinking maybe we could all go to Chilis and share a Triple Dipper. lmk.

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9/17/2025 7:47pm

We should talk about chainstay length to celebrate

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9/17/2025 7:52pm
Ambushell wrote:
How does everyone want to celebrate once we hit 1000 pages on the thread? I was thinking maybe we could all go to Chilis and share...

How does everyone want to celebrate once we hit 1000 pages on the thread? I was thinking maybe we could all go to Chilis and share a Triple Dipper. lmk.

Assuming we make it that far, let's adopt a crab.

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9/17/2025 8:39pm
chriskief wrote:

Pivot has moved up to the seat stay as well.

chriskief wrote:
A better angle of the UDH rear end...

A better angle of the UDH rear end...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.41.53%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=pBwXpdb.6hmtDDpJep
chriskief wrote:
And how about that caliper placement...

And how about that caliper placement...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.47.46%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=1gD8WgO1yI.bY5k

Looks slick but is worse to adjust, harder to machine the posts if needed.

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Primoz
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9/17/2025 9:04pm

Doesn't the bridge of that Boxxer look new? It looks much smoother. 

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9/17/2025 9:10pm
chriskief wrote:
A better angle of the UDH rear end...

A better angle of the UDH rear end...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.41.53%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=pBwXpdb.6hmtDDpJep
chriskief wrote:
And how about that caliper placement...

And how about that caliper placement...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.47.46%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=1gD8WgO1yI.bY5k
chriskief wrote:
You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 7.00.31%E2%80%AFPM

Axle mounted on chainstay vs seatstay also. They had to put caliper there to keep the same Anti rise as the current bike

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Primoz wrote:

Doesn't the bridge of that Boxxer look new? It looks much smoother. 

Another angle...

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Flo7 wrote:
New Orbea Rise?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUk0-lrvEKU

I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on recent patent applications, it looks more likely that they’re working on a motor gearbox unit. But again, this is all just rumor, so take it with a grain of salt.


 

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chriskief wrote:
And how about that caliper placement...

And how about that caliper placement...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 6.47.46%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=1gD8WgO1yI.bY5k
chriskief wrote:
You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

You can still choose between 200 and 220mm rotors...

Screenshot 2025-09-17 at 7.00.31%E2%80%AFPM

Axle mounted on chainstay vs seatstay also. They had to put caliper there to keep the same Anti rise as the current bike

Elaborate? 

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9/18/2025 12:00am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2025 12:02am
Flo7 wrote:
New Orbea Rise?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUk0-lrvEKU
trexyz wrote:
I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on...

I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on recent patent applications, it looks more likely that they’re working on a motor gearbox unit. But again, this is all just rumor, so take it with a grain of salt.


 

The image suggests it's still Shimano. I'm not sure the Bosch gen 5 system lends itself to making a quasi SL version the same way the Shimano system does. What is interesting it that it looks like it has an electronic dropper power directly from the bikes main battery which is cool. 

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9/18/2025 12:19am
Evil96 wrote:

Wild that they chucked the cables in the headset AGAIN

no electronic dropper bulge though, that thing is clean af

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9/18/2025 12:19am
Flo7 wrote:
New Orbea Rise?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUk0-lrvEKU
trexyz wrote:
I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on...

I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on recent patent applications, it looks more likely that they’re working on a motor gearbox unit. But again, this is all just rumor, so take it with a grain of salt.


 

You don't need to caveat that stuff posted here is rumour, that is why we are here brother. 

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9/18/2025 12:21am
Flo7 wrote:
New Orbea Rise?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUk0-lrvEKU
trexyz wrote:
I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on...

I think they will release a Bosch version of the Rise…Something tells me we won’t be seeing a new engine from Shimano anytime soon. Based on recent patent applications, it looks more likely that they’re working on a motor gearbox unit. But again, this is all just rumor, so take it with a grain of salt.


 

DylanJM wrote:
The image suggests it's still Shimano. I'm not sure the Bosch gen 5 system lends itself to making a quasi SL version the same way the...

The image suggests it's still Shimano. I'm not sure the Bosch gen 5 system lends itself to making a quasi SL version the same way the Shimano system does. What is interesting it that it looks like it has an electronic dropper power directly from the bikes main battery which is cool. 

So now we get to drop the motor when we need to fuss with that end of the dropper cable? Joy of joys, we've come full circle to when droppers were fresh and you had to pull a press fit bottom bracket to install them. 

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9/18/2025 1:09am
Jotegr wrote:
So now we get to drop the motor when we need to fuss with that end of the dropper cable? Joy of joys, we've come full...

So now we get to drop the motor when we need to fuss with that end of the dropper cable? Joy of joys, we've come full circle to when droppers were fresh and you had to pull a press fit bottom bracket to install them. 

last time i checked, wires have, like cables, 2 ends and are probably plugable

9/18/2025 1:56am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2025 1:56am

Axle mounted on chainstay vs seatstay also. They had to put caliper there to keep the same Anti rise as the current bike

I don't think the anti rise will be the same as the old bike as they have essentially inverted the whole linkage, so the brake is on a different "bar" now, it probably won't be different in a way that matters or is perceptible to us mere mortals. 

 

I think when I tried to recreate it in linkage, the main big difference was that it lowered the initial leverage rate, which is something a lighter rider like Loris would probably benefit from.

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Primoz
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9/18/2025 1:59am

They have both seatstay and chainstay pivot options since basically the beginning of the V5 platform. Not much new here in that regard. 

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9/18/2025 4:00am

Nino Schurters custom racebike for his last race is sporting a blackbox rear derailleur. New updated XX SL with the same battery placement as the GX?

02be151c1ed4a72b1889dcd9fbbf80d7

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9/18/2025 4:04am
Etney wrote:
Nino Schurters custom racebike for his last race is sporting a blackbox rear derailleur. New updated XX SL with the same battery placement as the GX?

Nino Schurters custom racebike for his last race is sporting a blackbox rear derailleur. New updated XX SL with the same battery placement as the GX?

02be151c1ed4a72b1889dcd9fbbf80d7

Most likely just the S1000 with a XXSL Carbon Cage and Clutch

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