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Mafflin
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8/2/2025 1:38am
Scontoni wrote:
Tristan just added the details to that Wheelworks post this weekThe NZ distributor had the 571's listed on their "New Products" list before even DT had...

Tristan just added the details to that Wheelworks post this week

The NZ distributor had the 571's listed on their "New Products" list before even DT had them listed, and they seem to put quite a bit into marketing DT products here

Dave Waugh wrote:
Marleens (NZ DT agent) even without Nic onboard now, have always been pretty onto it with marketing and product support.I have to say I'm surprised noideamtber...

Marleens (NZ DT agent) even without Nic onboard now, have always been pretty onto it with marketing and product support.


I have to say I'm surprised noideamtber hasn't killed that ARC30, worst rim I've every had... even weaker than the 1st gen Stans Barron rim.

Are you sure you're not talking about the cheese AR30? Those are awful rims.the ARC30 Is quite good, Im not a light weight and it got...

Are you sure you're not talking about the cheese AR30? Those are awful rims.
the ARC30 Is quite good, Im not a light weight and it got thrashed over summer at QT skyline and CAP.(+ other places) - i was not kind to it, its killed many tyres

I owned a few ARC30 and they're not terrible but both died pretty quickly.

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8/2/2025 2:22am
Dave Waugh wrote:
Marleens (NZ DT agent) even without Nic onboard now, have always been pretty onto it with marketing and product support.I have to say I'm surprised noideamtber...

Marleens (NZ DT agent) even without Nic onboard now, have always been pretty onto it with marketing and product support.


I have to say I'm surprised noideamtber hasn't killed that ARC30, worst rim I've every had... even weaker than the 1st gen Stans Barron rim.

Are you sure you're not talking about the cheese AR30? Those are awful rims.the ARC30 Is quite good, Im not a light weight and it got...

Are you sure you're not talking about the cheese AR30? Those are awful rims.
the ARC30 Is quite good, Im not a light weight and it got thrashed over summer at QT skyline and CAP.(+ other places) - i was not kind to it, its killed many tyres

Mafflin wrote:

I owned a few ARC30 and they're not terrible but both died pretty quickly.

Just curious when you owned them? They updated them a couple of years back
my two are great, one has a touch of a flat spot from the bottom of the slab drop at skyline when I was far to low on pressure due to burping it higher up

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Jakub_G
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8/2/2025 4:18am

Aren't those being used on 27.5 forks now?

Those aforementioned offset options were used in pre boost forks with 20mm axle options, after that this tuning no longer works.

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8/3/2025 1:50am Edited Date/Time 8/3/2025 1:50am

Aren't those being used on 27.5 forks now?

Jakub_G wrote:

Those aforementioned offset options were used in pre boost forks with 20mm axle options, after that this tuning no longer works.

Transition were one brand I can name that was using them on 27.5" bikes until recently which were all boost forks.

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Jakub_G
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Transition were one brand I can name that was using them on 27.5" bikes until recently which were all boost forks.

Yes, you could chose from two offsets for 27.5 boost fork, on non boost there were 3 options that were interchangable.

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Blake_Motley
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8/4/2025 5:01pm

This is so funny to read if you haven’t been paying attention to headset routing the last couple years. 

Imagine reading “Ford updated the F150 to include power windows” 

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8/4/2025 6:18pm
Poleczechy wrote:
This is so funny to read if you haven’t been paying attention to headset routing the last couple years. Imagine reading “Ford updated the F150 to include...

This is so funny to read if you haven’t been paying attention to headset routing the last couple years. 

Imagine reading “Ford updated the F150 to include power windows” 

Pretty sure you can still buy several base ford models with roll up windows actually.

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Poleczechy
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8/4/2025 6:51pm
Poleczechy wrote:
This is so funny to read if you haven’t been paying attention to headset routing the last couple years. Imagine reading “Ford updated the F150 to include...

This is so funny to read if you haven’t been paying attention to headset routing the last couple years. 

Imagine reading “Ford updated the F150 to include power windows” 

I heavily considered: Orbea “downgraded” the Occam to include internal cable routing. 

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TEAMROBOT
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8/4/2025 9:22pm

Feels like we're winning this battle, team. Nice work complaining enough to move the needle.

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yzedf
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8/4/2025 10:15pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:

Feels like we're winning this battle, team. Nice work complaining enough to move the needle.

I’d like to think it was us. It was probably paying out the extra shop labor on warranty jobs that did it. 

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Brian_Peterson
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8/4/2025 10:17pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:

Feels like we're winning this battle, team. Nice work complaining enough to move the needle.

yzedf wrote:

I’d like to think it was us. It was probably paying out the extra shop labor on warranty jobs that did it. 

They pay shops for labor on warranty work?

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yzedf
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8/4/2025 10:33pm

They pay shops for labor on warranty work?

Who else would pay for it? 

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sethimus
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8/4/2025 11:24pm

They pay shops for labor on warranty work?

yzedf wrote:

Who else would pay for it? 

that was a funny one, are you a comedian?

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TimBud
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8/5/2025 12:04am

All of the big brands in the UK give credit for any labour associated with warranty work!

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Goupil
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8/5/2025 2:28am

That kind of news, it just makes your day.

If i was trying to gain 2W on a trail bike I ride in baggy clothes, I'd rather wear aero socks than run cables and hoses through the headset ! 

 

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sethimus
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TimBud wrote:

All of the big brands in the UK give credit for any labour associated with warranty work!

yeah, na. so for example, cube ebike, didn’t mount the dropper cable correctly, to fix it you need to drop the motor, remove the battery and deal with cable tourism. at least a 1-2h job. they reimburse you 15eur for that. but our billable hour is 129 chf. 

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sethimus wrote:
yeah, na. so for example, cube ebike, didn’t mount the dropper cable correctly, to fix it you need to drop the motor, remove the battery and...

yeah, na. so for example, cube ebike, didn’t mount the dropper cable correctly, to fix it you need to drop the motor, remove the battery and deal with cable tourism. at least a 1-2h job. they reimburse you 15eur for that. but our billable hour is 129 chf. 

Same with my haibike, it doesn't have tube in tube for the rear either so a job that would be max 15 minutes with external routing turns into an hour to two hours.

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TimBud
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8/5/2025 4:17am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2025 4:17am

“In the UK”! 😉

Plus Cube are not big in the UK… even when Danny was riding for them. That and they’ve always been known to be on the low quality end of the spectrum so if you chose to deal with them then its fair to expect more basic issues. 

Even then Swiss pricing is ridiculously high and cannot really be compared to anywhere else in Euroland. 
And even then at PDI stage its not unwise to check motor mounts and linkages so optimising routing would often happen naturally.

 

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Primoz
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8/5/2025 7:24am

But it's still not 10 times higher? Maybe twice as high as most other expensive European countries? I have no idea what the going rates are here in Slovenia, haven't been to a shop to service my bike in about 6 or 7 years... 

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sethimus
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“In the UK”! 😉Plus Cube are not big in the UK… even when Danny was riding for them. That and they’ve always been known to be...

“In the UK”! 😉

Plus Cube are not big in the UK… even when Danny was riding for them. That and they’ve always been known to be on the low quality end of the spectrum so if you chose to deal with them then its fair to expect more basic issues. 

Even then Swiss pricing is ridiculously high and cannot really be compared to anywhere else in Euroland. 
And even then at PDI stage its not unwise to check motor mounts and linkages so optimising routing would often happen naturally.

 

no bike shop in the world gets even with just 15eur. and this is with all the big ones, if you lucky they have a fixef rate but no oem reimburses you your warranty cost completely, only partially 

brochmann
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8/5/2025 8:15am

Anyone have info on whether there's coming an acoustic Vala? Seems like too good a success to leave to the electric platform

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TimBud
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8/5/2025 8:18am

€15 isn’t their hourly rate. Just what they’ve assigned for this task. Which doesn’t take into account the time it takes you.

It’s the same in the automotive industry. Warranty labour rates are always less than actual labour we charge our customers.

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Ervin321
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8/5/2025 8:19am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2025 8:20am
brochmann wrote:

Anyone have info on whether there's coming an acoustic Vala? Seems like too good a success to leave to the electric platform

GT Sensor.

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sollie
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8/5/2025 8:37am Edited Date/Time 8/5/2025 8:38am

Neuhaus Metalworks made a build and ride impressions video for a rigid 32" prototype: 

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8/5/2025 8:45am
brochmann wrote:

Anyone have info on whether there's coming an acoustic Vala? Seems like too good a success to leave to the electric platform

Ervin321 wrote:

GT Sensor.

With built in crumple zone!

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seanfisseli
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8/5/2025 8:56am
sollie wrote:
Neuhaus Metalworks made a build and ride impressions video for a rigid 32" prototype: 

Neuhaus Metalworks made a build and ride impressions video for a rigid 32" prototype: 

His content is a mix of cringe and informative. This was pretty good and I am even more sold on 32 now. 

(Only gripe with this vid was the way he was saying “to get more grip you add more knobs to the tire” when in reality the more knobs you add the smaller the knobs get, so fast tires tend to have lots of little knobs and slow tires tend to have fewer, bigger knobs. I could see how he could easily mix up “knobbier” and “more knobs” but still, when people want to be a source of knowledge for cycling my expectation goes up.)

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PisgahGnar
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8/5/2025 8:57am
sollie wrote:
Neuhaus Metalworks made a build and ride impressions video for a rigid 32" prototype: 

Neuhaus Metalworks made a build and ride impressions video for a rigid 32" prototype: 

I just watched this on my lunch break and came to post it. Super cool build. 

Kusa
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8/5/2025 9:11am
brochmann wrote:

Anyone have info on whether there's coming an acoustic Vala? Seems like too good a success to leave to the electric platform

Yeah, they call it Bronson.

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sethimus
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TimBud wrote:
€15 isn’t their hourly rate. Just what they’ve assigned for this task. Which doesn’t take into account the time it takes you.It’s the same in the...

€15 isn’t their hourly rate. Just what they’ve assigned for this task. Which doesn’t take into account the time it takes you.

It’s the same in the automotive industry. Warranty labour rates are always less than actual labour we charge our customers.

hence my comedian comment

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