Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800WH battery under 50...
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800WH battery under 50 pounds? Very cool.
Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all the new bikes with the new Bosch stuff (Reuglator, Vala, who else am I missing?) The Trek Rail was the only one to have the 800wh. (enough juice to actually do a "self shuttle day")
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800WH battery under 50...
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800WH battery under 50 pounds? Very cool.
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800WH battery under 50...
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800WH battery under 50 pounds? Very cool.
Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all...
Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all the new bikes with the new Bosch stuff (Reuglator, Vala, who else am I missing?) The Trek Rail was the only one to have the 800wh. (enough juice to actually do a "self shuttle day")
For those in Europe, the new Haibike AllMtn has an 800wh.
Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?
Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given...
Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?
They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line next year but we'll just have to wait and see.
Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given...
Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?
They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line...
They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line next year but we'll just have to wait and see.
I may ir may not have seen a something from someone, somewhere somehow with renders of the new Force and Sensor about 2 weeks before GT folded, and if the internet has taught me something in all its years is that if there’s a render, then somewhere there is a mold…
MTB spoke drilling holes and innovation 🙃I'm gonna keep ex471-ing until DT stops production, it is the tried an true, gold standar for a reason. Assymetrical...
MTB spoke drilling holes and innovation 🙃
I'm gonna keep ex471-ing until DT stops production, it is the tried an true, gold standar for a reason. Assymetrical, 4d whatever ads no value. They are even the perfect width for gravity tires. Or are they?
Okay the width thing. Never understood why rim widths past 27mm are advertised as good or better? They just feel like they have my resistance when climbing with no added benefit of actual grip. Like Im puzzled that companies like DT push the idea of needing a 30mm+ wide rim/wheel when their pro racers are running EX471s which I think is 25mm if Im not mistaken. Is it a durability warranty work around?
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running 30 mm rims.
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running...
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running 30 mm rims.
Not to mention all the non DT pros are using 30mm rims, Enve, crank brothers, Reserve etc are all 30mm internal.
I do think 25-28mm is better, but only a handful of racers have access to them as most are using sponsors carbon rims that are 30mm for consumers.
Who is still run 471's other than specialized gravity?
Yeah there is a particular Australian mechanic who gets a lot of people on the 471 DT revolution build. Funny it's still so popular after 8 years of it.
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running...
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running 30 mm rims.
ex1700 uses the ex511 rims which is the 30mm counterpart to ex471s (25mm). i think that slimmer rims is more of a DH thing because of higher speeds and lean angles.
edit: but please let‘s keep it tech rumors in here and not start another off topic convo!
Hold on, we are discussing if a 2mm difference in rim width is better or worse?
Yeah as Primoz said 5mm. I can ride a 30mm rim and be fine. Just noticed the difference between that and a 24/25 mm rim. But I cant see any reason why youd want to go beyond 30mm personally. Just curious what you regulars also thought is all since rims were on topic a little.
Yeah as Primoz said 5mm. I can ride a 30mm rim and be fine. Just noticed the difference between that and a 24/25 mm rim. But...
Yeah as Primoz said 5mm. I can ride a 30mm rim and be fine. Just noticed the difference between that and a 24/25 mm rim. But I cant see any reason why youd want to go beyond 30mm personally. Just curious what you regulars also thought is all since rims were on topic a little.
Id put 6 of your watery american beers on you not being able to notice the difference between a 25mm or 30mm wide rim in a blind test.
Ill provide all thats required, you just need to show up and prove me wrong to win your 6-pack (my comment is meant as sarcasm, I mean no offence, other than to try and add a little levity)
As a reminder to all of us,
What the pros do, and use, has little to no bearing on what works in the real world of owner maintained, and hack ridden bikes at half the speed and aggression of those that feed themselves from the spoils of their victories.
To add to that, all of us are allowed to ride, like, covet, dream about, whatever the hell we want, and it DOES NOT make it better than what someone else likes, rides, covets, dreams about, Fair?
Its adults riding bicycles in the woods for recreation, cheese and crackers....
Id put 6 of your watery american beers on you not being able to notice the difference between a 25mm or 30mm wide rim in a...
Id put 6 of your watery american beers on you not being able to notice the difference between a 25mm or 30mm wide rim in a blind test.
Ill provide all thats required, you just need to show up and prove me wrong to win your 6-pack (my comment is meant as sarcasm, I mean no offence, other than to try and add a little levity)
As a reminder to all of us,
What the pros do, and use, has little to no bearing on what works in the real world of owner maintained, and hack ridden bikes at half the speed and aggression of those that feed themselves from the spoils of their victories.
To add to that, all of us are allowed to ride, like, covet, dream about, whatever the hell we want, and it DOES NOT make it better than what someone else likes, rides, covets, dreams about, Fair?
Its adults riding bicycles in the woods for recreation, cheese and crackers....
I switched from 30 mm OEM Syncros rims to 35 mm WTB KOM Tough rims on my trail bike thanks to a good deal from CRC one day. I don't know whether it's the rims themselves or the extra width (most likely both) but they're much less susceptible to creases. Now the tyre sustains damage when I hit things I shouldn't, rather than the rim. I imagine the extra width, combined with tyres designed for the extra width, puts more of the sidewall in the way when the tyre compresses.
As for differences in feel, like you say, I'm aware that they're significantly stiffer but how I feel probably changes more day to day...
For what it's worth it looks like Richie Rude runs EX1700 on his enduro bike and the FR1500s on his downhill bike, both are 30 mm in width, which I guess comes down to additional stiffness. I'm sure a guy like him could feel the difference between them, but unlikely that many of us can. These top guys are also playing around with spoke tension to add/remove compliance - also something many of us will never do.
As an aside, you also have some who will run a wider EX511 up front and a narrower EX471 in the back. I've also came across this a few times with the original WA1's, with a 30 mm Union up front and a 27 mm faction out back. I guess that would be to provide theoretically more grip with wide front tires.
Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all the new bikes with the new Bosch stuff (Reuglator, Vala, who else am I missing?) The Trek Rail was the only one to have the 800wh. (enough juice to actually do a "self shuttle day")
They had it up on their website probably 2 months ago.
I’m not saying I browse the website every day to check on these things, but I don’t remember seeing full specs and models listed. 🤷🏻♂️
For those in Europe, the new Haibike AllMtn has an 800wh.
Orbea DH on FMD team camp? 🤔
Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded??
relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?
Intend being open with the carbon
Fair points
They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line next year but we'll just have to wait and see.
I may ir may not have seen a something from someone, somewhere somehow with renders of the new Force and Sensor about 2 weeks before GT folded, and if the internet has taught me something in all its years is that if there’s a render, then somewhere there is a mold…
Okay the width thing. Never understood why rim widths past 27mm are advertised as good or better? They just feel like they have my resistance when climbing with no added benefit of actual grip. Like Im puzzled that companies like DT push the idea of needing a 30mm+ wide rim/wheel when their pro racers are running EX471s which I think is 25mm if Im not mistaken. Is it a durability warranty work around?
More initial grip Is a benefit of wide rims... suits alot of pinky riders because they ride upright and dont lean the bike lol
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running 30 mm rims.
Not to mention all the non DT pros are using 30mm rims, Enve, crank brothers, Reserve etc are all 30mm internal.
I do think 25-28mm is better, but only a handful of racers have access to them as most are using sponsors carbon rims that are 30mm for consumers.
Who is still run 471's other than specialized gravity?
Troy Brosnan does I think.
2026 Fox 36SL confirmed?
From reddit
https://iterreng.no/produkt/fox-float-sl-36-factory-29-gripx-2026-shiny-orange/
https://bikeshop.no/fox-factory-inc/nyfoxfloatsl36/fox-float-sl-36-performance-29-gaffel-downcountry-stisyklister
Yeah there is a particular Australian mechanic who gets a lot of people on the 471 DT revolution build. Funny it's still so popular after 8 years of it.
ex1700 uses the ex511 rims which is the 30mm counterpart to ex471s (25mm). i think that slimmer rims is more of a DH thing because of higher speeds and lean angles.
edit: but please let‘s keep it tech rumors in here and not start another off topic convo!
36 with 20mm ta? Could it be the usd fork that we saw in this thread?
No, I am sure that is a tech reference to the old, non-boost 36 models, the ones with pinch-bolt dropouts
No, a 5 mm difference.
Yeah as Primoz said 5mm. I can ride a 30mm rim and be fine. Just noticed the difference between that and a 24/25 mm rim. But I cant see any reason why youd want to go beyond 30mm personally. Just curious what you regulars also thought is all since rims were on topic a little.
Id put 6 of your watery american beers on you not being able to notice the difference between a 25mm or 30mm wide rim in a blind test.
Ill provide all thats required, you just need to show up and prove me wrong to win your 6-pack (my comment is meant as sarcasm, I mean no offence, other than to try and add a little levity)
As a reminder to all of us,
What the pros do, and use, has little to no bearing on what works in the real world of owner maintained, and hack ridden bikes at half the speed and aggression of those that feed themselves from the spoils of their victories.
To add to that, all of us are allowed to ride, like, covet, dream about, whatever the hell we want, and it DOES NOT make it better than what someone else likes, rides, covets, dreams about, Fair?
Its adults riding bicycles in the woods for recreation, cheese and crackers....
I switched from 30 mm OEM Syncros rims to 35 mm WTB KOM Tough rims on my trail bike thanks to a good deal from CRC one day. I don't know whether it's the rims themselves or the extra width (most likely both) but they're much less susceptible to creases. Now the tyre sustains damage when I hit things I shouldn't, rather than the rim. I imagine the extra width, combined with tyres designed for the extra width, puts more of the sidewall in the way when the tyre compresses.
As for differences in feel, like you say, I'm aware that they're significantly stiffer but how I feel probably changes more day to day...
The orbea almost looks too low for a regular 4-bar layout, even with a trunnion. Unless the rocker is Intense rocker long. Thoughts?
For what it's worth it looks like Richie Rude runs EX1700 on his enduro bike and the FR1500s on his downhill bike, both are 30 mm in width, which I guess comes down to additional stiffness. I'm sure a guy like him could feel the difference between them, but unlikely that many of us can. These top guys are also playing around with spoke tension to add/remove compliance - also something many of us will never do.
As an aside, you also have some who will run a wider EX511 up front and a narrower EX471 in the back. I've also came across this a few times with the original WA1's, with a 30 mm Union up front and a 27 mm faction out back. I guess that would be to provide theoretically more grip with wide front tires.
20% difference is pretty big