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4/15/2024 2:42pm
13 speed Sram road would be cool. I may be incorrect but all the part numbers I've got for the E1 still pop as 12spd. So...

13 speed Sram road would be cool. I may be incorrect but all the part numbers I've got for the E1 still pop as 12spd. So maybe not red moving to 13? Or strictly their xlpr lineup perhaps? I'll have to do some more digging. 

Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel bikes, with some of it bleeding down to road kits. A number of companies already offer GX/XO/XX transmission options on gravel bikes with the direct mount system. 

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What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

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4/15/2024 2:52pm
DirkT wrote:
What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

pink fork..... pink bike.... checks out.

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4/15/2024 2:53pm
13 speed Sram road would be cool. I may be incorrect but all the part numbers I've got for the E1 still pop as 12spd. So...

13 speed Sram road would be cool. I may be incorrect but all the part numbers I've got for the E1 still pop as 12spd. So maybe not red moving to 13? Or strictly their xlpr lineup perhaps? I'll have to do some more digging. 

Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel...

Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel bikes, with some of it bleeding down to road kits. A number of companies already offer GX/XO/XX transmission options on gravel bikes with the direct mount system. 

I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, the War of Who Has the Most Cogs was finally over. I guess not.

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4/15/2024 2:59pm
13 speed Sram road would be cool. I may be incorrect but all the part numbers I've got for the E1 still pop as 12spd. So...

13 speed Sram road would be cool. I may be incorrect but all the part numbers I've got for the E1 still pop as 12spd. So maybe not red moving to 13? Or strictly their xlpr lineup perhaps? I'll have to do some more digging. 

Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel...

Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel bikes, with some of it bleeding down to road kits. A number of companies already offer GX/XO/XX transmission options on gravel bikes with the direct mount system. 

I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I...

I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, the War of Who Has the Most Cogs was finally over. I guess not.

eh? EKAR (the 13spd campy grouppo) has been out since 2020.... 

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4/15/2024 2:59pm
DirkT wrote:
What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

Looks like a regular 'ole Sid SL to me.

4/15/2024 3:11pm
Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel...

Could see it happen for Gravel to start. Campy already has that for 1x gravel with the EKAR group. UDH is even more common on gravel bikes, with some of it bleeding down to road kits. A number of companies already offer GX/XO/XX transmission options on gravel bikes with the direct mount system. 

I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I...

I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, the War of Who Has the Most Cogs was finally over. I guess not.

jonkranked wrote:

eh? EKAR (the 13spd campy grouppo) has been out since 2020.... 

Yes. Hence why I said "more" 13-speed drivetrains. Campagnolo dropped Ekar with 13 cogs, and since then SRAM and Shimano have both released multiple new road and gravel drivetrains that only use 12 cogs in the rear. I thought that perhaps they'd realized there wasn't much benefit to be gained from squeezing yet another cog into the same space. Even Campagnolo hasn't produced a 13-speed road drivetrain. I hope the rumors of 13-speed SRAM turn out to be false.

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4/15/2024 3:23pm
DirkT wrote:
What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

Looks like a regular 'ole Sid SL to me.

The hub/brake mount junction looks really weird to me!  But perhaps it's just the angle.

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4/15/2024 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/15/2024 7:08pm
DirkT wrote:
What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

What's going on with the fork here?  From Pinkbike XC coverage.

Looks like regular SID but doesn't look like the roval wheels have the torque cap installed.

But that tire seems a new option from Specialized. Currently XC choice is Fast Trak or Renegade. This new captain look like a faster option than the renegade ? to compete with Maxxis Aspen that many were riding during this 1st round of WC XCO.

Here is a clearer picture of the thread:

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4/15/2024 8:37pm

Vorsprung "Telum" 

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Vorsprung "Telum" 

Vorsprung "Telum" 

Darryl Kerrigan approved

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4/15/2024 8:59pm
Vorsprung "Telum" 

Vorsprung "Telum" 

Ooooooo. I’ve been waiting to see these.

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4/15/2024 10:14pm

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

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4/16/2024 12:37am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

Given that their existing shock modification (Tractive) is personalised, I'd be very surprised if this isn't.

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4/16/2024 5:17am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

finally a shock for rich people!

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4/16/2024 6:12am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting to see how they both compare at this price point.

I also heard Motion Instruments is releasing during sea otter as well, so that's going to be interesting for the suspension nerds among us. 

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4/16/2024 6:25am
I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I...

I'm not opposed to the UDH standard becoming more common on gravel or road bikes. But the thought of more 13-speed drivetrains makes me cringe. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, the War of Who Has the Most Cogs was finally over. I guess not.

On a mountain bike, I love big jumps between gears. I love my AdventX (luckily, xt has the double downshift on my other bike) 10 speed. I wish the Prime 9 One from Box materialized. 

On a road bike, however, I need close gearing. When fighting a headwind, or desperately attempting to keep up with faster buddies by staying in their draft, having the "right" gear is critical. More, closer gears is welcome!

...except all the lab data out there shows that extreme chain lines are measurably less efficient. 13 cogs on a single cassette is stupid. 2x11 or 2x12 is the sweet spot, since dual chainrings allows for good chainlines regardless of which side of the cassette you're on. 

Also Rotor has had a 13 speed road, gravel, and mtb cassette for years now https://www.singletracks.com/mtb-gear/lucky-or-unlucky-we-put-the-new-r…;

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Big fan of EXT, had great experience with their customer service, they really go above and beyond. Heard nothing but good things about Vorsprung, hope they compete in the more "boutique" section of the market to provide better products and service. Didn't have the best experience with Push but hope they improve in that regard. 

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4/16/2024 7:48am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2024 11:16am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

DServy wrote:
Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting...

Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting to see how they both compare at this price point.

I also heard Motion Instruments is releasing during sea otter as well, so that's going to be interesting for the suspension nerds among us. 

Definitely curious if there is anything from Motion Instruments. My last few pings to them looking to pick up some replacement parts have gone unanswered.

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4/16/2024 8:16am
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Wasn't expecting this from the last ERA release...

https://www.raceface.com/products/era-chainring

Steel for the teeth, carbon for the spider, aluminum for the direct mount attachment. $149. I wonder if you could reduce the eventual cost of replacement by making just the wear portion of the chainring replaceable, and integrating the spider into the crankarm since the spider doesn't experience any wear.... no, that's too ludicrous to consider.

(I'm sure it's a very nice chainring. Just funny how we end up engineering ourselves almost all the way back to older concepts.)

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4/16/2024 8:58am
chriskief wrote:

Wasn't expecting this from the last ERA release...

https://www.raceface.com/products/era-chainring

Steel for the teeth, carbon for the spider, aluminum for the direct mount attachment. $149. I wonder if you could reduce the eventual cost of replacement...

Steel for the teeth, carbon for the spider, aluminum for the direct mount attachment. $149. I wonder if you could reduce the eventual cost of replacement by making just the wear portion of the chainring replaceable, and integrating the spider into the crankarm since the spider doesn't experience any wear.... no, that's too ludicrous to consider.

(I'm sure it's a very nice chainring. Just funny how we end up engineering ourselves almost all the way back to older concepts.)

Careful, thats road bike territory! Dangerous!

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4/16/2024 9:05am

I'm not sure if this is the best forum to discuss, but I think we are going to see a lot more from Bafang

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/vitals-sl-emtb-test-sessions-karbon-b…

(you can find this frame on alibaba with motor+battery for $1700)

I have a Bafang m820 bike, and I can get a sustained 580 watts of output from it. It feels very close to a Shimano motor. The problem is that with a 400 watt hour battery you obviously get far less than a single hour of 580 watts. My question this: Everyone complains about the TQ motor being too weak compared to other SL motors, but whats the point of a powerful motor if you pair it with a <400 watt hour battery?

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4/16/2024 9:19am
I'm not sure if this is the best forum to discuss, but I think we are going to see a lot more from Bafang https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/vitals-sl-emtb-test-sessions-karbon-bikes-powerline-sl-review (you...

I'm not sure if this is the best forum to discuss, but I think we are going to see a lot more from Bafang

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/vitals-sl-emtb-test-sessions-karbon-b…

(you can find this frame on alibaba with motor+battery for $1700)

I have a Bafang m820 bike, and I can get a sustained 580 watts of output from it. It feels very close to a Shimano motor. The problem is that with a 400 watt hour battery you obviously get far less than a single hour of 580 watts. My question this: Everyone complains about the TQ motor being too weak compared to other SL motors, but whats the point of a powerful motor if you pair it with a <400 watt hour battery?

Tbh this is for an ebike forum. Ebike battery/motor capability discussions can cause some huge derailment. 

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4/16/2024 9:22am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2024 9:23am
I'm not sure if this is the best forum to discuss, but I think we are going to see a lot more from Bafang https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/vitals-sl-emtb-test-sessions-karbon-bikes-powerline-sl-review (you...

I'm not sure if this is the best forum to discuss, but I think we are going to see a lot more from Bafang

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/vitals-sl-emtb-test-sessions-karbon-b…

(you can find this frame on alibaba with motor+battery for $1700)

I have a Bafang m820 bike, and I can get a sustained 580 watts of output from it. It feels very close to a Shimano motor. The problem is that with a 400 watt hour battery you obviously get far less than a single hour of 580 watts. My question this: Everyone complains about the TQ motor being too weak compared to other SL motors, but whats the point of a powerful motor if you pair it with a <400 watt hour battery?

we have a good ebike discussion rolling here

https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailme…

and yeah, we noticed that bike was on aliexpress too LOL

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4/16/2024 9:38am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

DServy wrote:
Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting...

Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting to see how they both compare at this price point.

I also heard Motion Instruments is releasing during sea otter as well, so that's going to be interesting for the suspension nerds among us. 

Definitely curious if there is anything from Motion Instruments. My last few pings to them looking to pick up some replacement parts have gone unanswered.

Yea, that would be great. I used their system and it is really good, but I think BYB is ahead in terms of durability and sensor design for that market. I'm glad to hear they are (hopefully) continuing to innovate and change, I really liked the bit of time I had it on my bike.

I really wish something like the SussMyBike flow would be available, but better than their execution. It wouldn't be as accurate as the current Motion IQ system, but more consumer oriented, durable, and easier to interpret without the volatility of the ShockWiz calibration process and providing meaningful velocity data. I think the hardware design of that was a good idea, but the software execution was really poor. A bit more refinement would've gone a long way but it seems they went under.

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4/16/2024 10:36am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2024 10:38am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

DServy wrote:
Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting...

Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting to see how they both compare at this price point.

I also heard Motion Instruments is releasing during sea otter as well, so that's going to be interesting for the suspension nerds among us. 

Did you hear new hardware or software they are releasing from Motion Instruments?

I've noticed they have been back on IG.  They were silent from July to Feb and now 5 random throwback photos posted in the last 2 weeks.

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4/16/2024 10:49am
Murph wrote:
Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned...

Based on the filter on the Telum page, it looks like it’ll be $1,380 CAD or $1,000 USD. Interested to see if they offer a tuned shock like EXT and Push. 
 

Also interesting to see they seem to have partnered with sprindex to be their spring supplier. 

DServy wrote:
Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting...

Interesting they are pricing it against the likes of EXT. I've always been a big fan of both EXT and Vorsprung, so it will be interesting to see how they both compare at this price point.

I also heard Motion Instruments is releasing during sea otter as well, so that's going to be interesting for the suspension nerds among us. 

Did you hear new hardware or software they are releasing from Motion Instruments? I've noticed they have been back on IG.  They were silent from July...

Did you hear new hardware or software they are releasing from Motion Instruments?

I've noticed they have been back on IG.  They were silent from July to Feb and now 5 random throwback photos posted in the last 2 weeks.

I was told there might be some stuff coming out that could improve fitment on difficult bikes. That's all I know. 

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