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2/2/2024 2:41am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2024 2:42am
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So then call it a Medium?  As for Superboost, it's not the standard itself, it's that it's a different "standard". We have multiple MTBs in our...

So then call it a Medium? 

As for Superboost, it's not the standard itself, it's that it's a different "standard". We have multiple MTBs in our household and they're all Boost which makes it easy to swap wheels for different uses and/or repairs. If we add a Superboost bike to the mix that no longer works and the performance boost (see what I did there?) at least for me, is negligible.

Maybe I'm wrong on this but Ive noticed the companies that do super boost (evil, pivot, knolly) all have pretty short chain stays. Does the wider...

Maybe I'm wrong on this but Ive noticed the companies that do super boost (evil, pivot, knolly) all have pretty short chain stays. Does the wider hub allow for a stronger rear triangle that can be shorter?  

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yeah, Pivot marketed super boost as the thing enabling them to achieve super-short chainstays on the last-gen firebird. but as far as I know it's more...

yeah, Pivot marketed super boost as the thing enabling them to achieve super-short chainstays on the last-gen firebird. but as far as I know it's more due to the added tire clearance than rear triangle strength

No offense to Chris Cocalis and the Pivot team, but it really always was just about Pivot being a bunch of weirdos.

Not even joking: The real reason Pivot started using 157 Superboost on the 2017 Switchblade was to be able to fit a 27,5x2.8" plus-size tire into a frame with extremely short chainstays, while also having a front derailleur. That's the real reason. Because in 2017 they still thought plus tires, short chainstays and front derailleurs were the future of mountainbiking.

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Did Shimano have a viable 1x drivetrain at the time? 

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Ah. That would be my second question - did Pivot ever sell a bike with something other than Shimano and Fox equipment. 

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Did Shimano have a viable 1x drivetrain at the time? 

Shimano XT M8000 was released in 2015 with 11-42 cassette if I'm not mistaken. For me that was vaible 1x11 back then, not really modern 500% range though. 

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Progressive changes that utilize parts already on the market would be nice. 

148 allow 142 with boost adapters. Ok, so what happens when I run boost adapters on 148 dedicated hubs? I get 152 hubs, which nobody uses. I'd be more inclined to run 157 if I could utilize a hub I had in my garage, and in some cases you could do that with old DH hubs, but it just felt like change for changes sake. 

With forks you can run a straight steerer in a tapered head tube, but weren't able to backdate the tapered stuff into old frames. That was an ok transition I guess. There was a lot happening with bike geo at that time and it probably sense to upgrade the frame anyways. 

I'm pretty stoked that the bike of today isn't much different than the bike of 10 years ago. I hope that industry doesn't rush towards required standards for electronic shifting like Transmission. Luckily all the current cable actuated standard hanger derailleurs are pretty good. 

 

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You can space the front hub on both sides and space the rotor and be done with it. On the rear you have to redish the wheel as you can't space the hub on both sides because of the cassette...

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2/2/2024 4:15pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2024 4:17pm

At this point we're likely going to have to accept Super Boost. All new SRAM Transmission chainlines are 55mm, which are suboptimal with boost spacing if you climb steep hills.

My crystal ball says in 6 years Boost 148 will be the weird orphan. Luckily adapter end caps should work for Boost to Super B****. Not sure if they'd need a re-dish. (edit, just saw above that redish req'd).

As a heel rubber, Super B**** annoys me, but not enough to impact a purchase.

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JVP wrote:
At this point we're likely going to have to accept Super Boost. All new SRAM Transmission chainlines are 55mm, which are suboptimal with boost spacing if...

At this point we're likely going to have to accept Super Boost. All new SRAM Transmission chainlines are 55mm, which are suboptimal with boost spacing if you climb steep hills.

My crystal ball says in 6 years Boost 148 will be the weird orphan. Luckily adapter end caps should work for Boost to Super B****. Not sure if they'd need a re-dish. (edit, just saw above that redish req'd).

As a heel rubber, Super B**** annoys me, but not enough to impact a purchase.

SRAM says "All new SRAM Transmission chainlines are 55mm..." but I'm running mine at 52mm and it's been flawless for 2k miles...

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On the old chainring? 

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screenshot-www.youtube.com-2024.02.03-11 14 31.png?VersionId=zyscreenshot-www.youtube.com-2024.02.03-11 13 13.png?VersionId=From the other stills it looked like she was still on red/white/black camo calipers.

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2/3/2024 2:42am
Looking again at this photo - that’s 1 biiig mullet bike. Other think that is curious - blurring the photo where the rear triangle is most...

Looking again at this photo - that’s 1 biiig mullet bike. Other think that is curious - blurring the photo where the rear triangle is most likely exactly for this: not to see the rear triangle. But the blurring goes exactly to the derailleur, even part of it is affected, almost as if to completely cover how the chain goes over the chainstay - parallel to it directly to the chainring, or upwards like on a high-pivot towards an idler… Smile   
Don’t think Banshee’s into the high-pivot craze, but then again they do like to listen to the customers, and Rulezman showed everyone how an idler affects the current Legend which is no high-pivot - may be they knew it already or something… Smile

Sorry to disappoint you, but that’s not banshee bike. It’s Cannodale Moterra ebike. 

2/3/2024 4:02am
Looking again at this photo - that’s 1 biiig mullet bike. Other think that is curious - blurring the photo where the rear triangle is most...

Looking again at this photo - that’s 1 biiig mullet bike. Other think that is curious - blurring the photo where the rear triangle is most likely exactly for this: not to see the rear triangle. But the blurring goes exactly to the derailleur, even part of it is affected, almost as if to completely cover how the chain goes over the chainstay - parallel to it directly to the chainring, or upwards like on a high-pivot towards an idler… Smile   
Don’t think Banshee’s into the high-pivot craze, but then again they do like to listen to the customers, and Rulezman showed everyone how an idler affects the current Legend which is no high-pivot - may be they knew it already or something… Smile

Sorry to disappoint you, but that’s not banshee bike. It’s Cannodale Moterra ebike. 

Yeah, just saw his post about it. What a let down - and here i was thinking Banshee are finally killing it with a new ride! 😃

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Primoz wrote:

On the old chainring? 

Half (1600km) on the old one, the rest on the new Garbaruk. (There was nothing wrong w/ the old one and I'm still using it but I needed a chainring for another build so I got the updated Garbaruk and swapped it out).

2/3/2024 8:50am
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Progressive changes that utilize parts already on the market would be nice.  148 allow 142 with boost adapters. Ok, so what happens when I run boost...

Progressive changes that utilize parts already on the market would be nice. 

148 allow 142 with boost adapters. Ok, so what happens when I run boost adapters on 148 dedicated hubs? I get 152 hubs, which nobody uses. I'd be more inclined to run 157 if I could utilize a hub I had in my garage, and in some cases you could do that with old DH hubs, but it just felt like change for changes sake. 

With forks you can run a straight steerer in a tapered head tube, but weren't able to backdate the tapered stuff into old frames. That was an ok transition I guess. There was a lot happening with bike geo at that time and it probably sense to upgrade the frame anyways. 

I'm pretty stoked that the bike of today isn't much different than the bike of 10 years ago. I hope that industry doesn't rush towards required standards for electronic shifting like Transmission. Luckily all the current cable actuated standard hanger derailleurs are pretty good. 

 

A few companies around 2019 were offsetting the hub to the drive side by 3mm for a 55mm chainline. I liked the idea but it never caught on.

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Yeah, just saw his post about it. What a let down - and here i was thinking Banshee are finally killing it with a new ride...

Yeah, just saw his post about it. What a let down - and here i was thinking Banshee are finally killing it with a new ride! 😃

There was also a post from somebody some time ago that a new Banshee is indeed in the making and should be released soon, Matej posted that picture on the 31st January which made 1st of February pretty logical for a release date but it didnt really turned out as desired... well we cant have everything

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2/3/2024 10:31pm

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

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From the other stills it looked like she was still on red/white/black camo calipers.

screenshot-www.youtube.com-2024.02.03-11 14 31.png?VersionId=zyscreenshot-www.youtube.com-2024.02.03-11 13 13.png?VersionId=From the other stills it looked like she was still on red/white/black camo calipers.

they're coming out late march, mineral, more powerful than the codes ( finally )

 

2/4/2024 1:24am
Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

I spy an idler pulley...

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Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

Why is Aston tagged

2/4/2024 2:11am
Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

Looks like a brompton with a dual crown with that lighting.

 

Would actually be nice for train trips to the bike park :p

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2/4/2024 6:50am
Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

I spy an idler pulley...

Where? Also, Rulezman has made 170mm Dorados for enduro bikes - the double crown ain’t proof for something new and long-travel! Smile

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2/4/2024 7:11am
Yeah, just saw his post about it. What a let down - and here i was thinking Banshee are finally killing it with a new ride...

Yeah, just saw his post about it. What a let down - and here i was thinking Banshee are finally killing it with a new ride! 😃

Karabuka wrote:
There was also a post from somebody some time ago that a new Banshee is indeed in the making and should be released soon, Matej posted...

There was also a post from somebody some time ago that a new Banshee is indeed in the making and should be released soon, Matej posted that picture on the 31st January which made 1st of February pretty logical for a release date but it didnt really turned out as desired... well we cant have everything

Maybe they will get away from the stupid trunnion mount shock.  I'd love to try a Banshee but i won't own a trunnion mount frame.  Has to be the worst standards ever introduced into mountain biking. Unless you're a suspension shop, then they are good for business i guess.

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Ah Trunnion: forever the scapegoat for poor frame alignment and QC Sideways

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Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

That's also an awfully long seat post for a triple clamp bike.

2/4/2024 11:17am
Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

Big Bird wrote:

That's also an awfully long seat post for a triple clamp bike.

Come on, don’t you know the future of enduro is dual crown forks Wink

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Kapolczer wrote:
Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as...

Just posted to Rulezman’s story. The Titan isn’t rated for a dual crown, could be the new model? Looks like the same vertical shock layout as most of their frames. Could also just be a Titan with a dual crown… Either way, we will find out soon. IMG 7372 0

I spy an idler pulley...

Where? Also, Rulezman has made 170mm Dorados for enduro bikes - the double crown ain’t proof for something new and long-travel! Smile

I think The ShortestCharles is right, if you enhance the photo the amount of chain wrap indicates an idler. 

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Rulezman has an idler kit for the banshee to reduce pedal kickback. 

https://instagram.com/p/C1w3hzMsOKT/

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Kapolczer wrote:
Come on, don’t you know the future of enduro is dual crown forks 

Come on, don’t you know the future of enduro is dual crown forks Wink

Of course I know that. I used to run tripples on all my trail bikes. Since the 180 Boxxers were around. The white 180 Turner with a black rear end and black Boxxer was my favorite.

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That's also an awfully long seat post for a triple clamp bike.

My guess is that its just a Titan with dorado's and his idler chainring. To run his short stems you need to size up and so it would be an xl frame with a 490mm seat tube. This forces Rulezman to run a 125mm dropper post, which created the funniest excuse of "125mm dropper to save energy from squatting a smaller distance".

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