2024 TEAM RUMORS

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1/18/2024 1:23pm
bizutch wrote:
If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear...

If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear, BullDog was on a full proto & I assume the team will be on custom length frames but OEM geometry to start the season & they'll give them all varying rear linkages to try.

And for the reason BullDog didn't get along with the proto, I'm not fan of announcing Dak to their team if/when that hashes out.  Would rather he land on a proven design.  I can only assume that whoever he elects to run with, he'll place a lot of need on being based at a European test track or ten for the majority of his season. He's sounded like the thing that would make him happy is to just be at the top of a World Cup track from day 1 of testing and throughout season.  Whatever team gets him there I assume he'll get the bike sorted on it. 

Until then...I'll keep down tube trollin'. :
mondaker bikes

MTBDHdad wrote:
I dont know anything about Dak, but Ryan has gotten his fastest times ever on the bike on runs he knows very well and can make...

I dont know anything about Dak, but Ryan has gotten his fastest times ever on the bike on runs he knows very well and can make good comparisons.  Mondraker is keen to make the bike fast and and is making that a priority.  So I think whomever is on the bike will do well.

Some riders adapt to a bike more than wanting the bike to adapt to them.  They seem to get focused more on changing the bike as they get older (more experience of what they want).  Younger guys are happy to have support and just push through.  I think some riders over think it and some riding styles don't mesh with certain designs/suspension kinematics.  I really believe that there isn't any "bad" bike on the W.C. circuit, just some more suited based on riding style.  

"Find your perfect match"

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1/18/2024 1:23pm

So interesting thing from the MS Intense Racing announcement that raises questions about Gwin's situation. John Hall is now Technical Director for Intense.

I know it was kinda eluded too earlier that Hall had a more permanent position with Intense, but now it's official.

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1/18/2024 1:26pm
bizutch wrote:
If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear...

If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear, BullDog was on a full proto & I assume the team will be on custom length frames but OEM geometry to start the season & they'll give them all varying rear linkages to try.

And for the reason BullDog didn't get along with the proto, I'm not fan of announcing Dak to their team if/when that hashes out.  Would rather he land on a proven design.  I can only assume that whoever he elects to run with, he'll place a lot of need on being based at a European test track or ten for the majority of his season. He's sounded like the thing that would make him happy is to just be at the top of a World Cup track from day 1 of testing and throughout season.  Whatever team gets him there I assume he'll get the bike sorted on it. 

Until then...I'll keep down tube trollin'. :
mondaker bikes

Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

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1/18/2024 1:37pm

From various interviews and statements over the years, Gwin wants a bike that allows very precise sizing and setup, and a rear suspension that has low anti-rise (or just "rise"), a flat, falling, predictable leverage rate around 30% progression, and not too heavy or too light. I know the Neko podcast rules it out, but man it sounds like a Frameworks would be perfect for him haha

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From various interviews and statements over the years, Gwin wants a bike that allows very precise sizing and setup, and a rear suspension that has low...

From various interviews and statements over the years, Gwin wants a bike that allows very precise sizing and setup, and a rear suspension that has low anti-rise (or just "rise"), a flat, falling, predictable leverage rate around 30% progression, and not too heavy or too light. I know the Neko podcast rules it out, but man it sounds like a Frameworks would be perfect for him haha

Neko said Gwin did say "Maybe I will" to finish the discussion. LONG shot, but fun

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1/18/2024 1:48pm
bizutch wrote:
If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear...

If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear, BullDog was on a full proto & I assume the team will be on custom length frames but OEM geometry to start the season & they'll give them all varying rear linkages to try.

And for the reason BullDog didn't get along with the proto, I'm not fan of announcing Dak to their team if/when that hashes out.  Would rather he land on a proven design.  I can only assume that whoever he elects to run with, he'll place a lot of need on being based at a European test track or ten for the majority of his season. He's sounded like the thing that would make him happy is to just be at the top of a World Cup track from day 1 of testing and throughout season.  Whatever team gets him there I assume he'll get the bike sorted on it. 

Until then...I'll keep down tube trollin'. :
mondaker bikes

MTBDHdad wrote:
I dont know anything about Dak, but Ryan has gotten his fastest times ever on the bike on runs he knows very well and can make...

I dont know anything about Dak, but Ryan has gotten his fastest times ever on the bike on runs he knows very well and can make good comparisons.  Mondraker is keen to make the bike fast and and is making that a priority.  So I think whomever is on the bike will do well.

So cool to see a local ripper making good, can't wait to see what Ryan does next year!

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1/18/2024 3:43pm
bizutch wrote:
If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear...

If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear, BullDog was on a full proto & I assume the team will be on custom length frames but OEM geometry to start the season & they'll give them all varying rear linkages to try.

And for the reason BullDog didn't get along with the proto, I'm not fan of announcing Dak to their team if/when that hashes out.  Would rather he land on a proven design.  I can only assume that whoever he elects to run with, he'll place a lot of need on being based at a European test track or ten for the majority of his season. He's sounded like the thing that would make him happy is to just be at the top of a World Cup track from day 1 of testing and throughout season.  Whatever team gets him there I assume he'll get the bike sorted on it. 

Until then...I'll keep down tube trollin'. :
mondaker bikes

Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

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different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

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1/18/2024 4:55pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2024 4:56pm
bizutch wrote:
If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear...

If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear, BullDog was on a full proto & I assume the team will be on custom length frames but OEM geometry to start the season & they'll give them all varying rear linkages to try.

And for the reason BullDog didn't get along with the proto, I'm not fan of announcing Dak to their team if/when that hashes out.  Would rather he land on a proven design.  I can only assume that whoever he elects to run with, he'll place a lot of need on being based at a European test track or ten for the majority of his season. He's sounded like the thing that would make him happy is to just be at the top of a World Cup track from day 1 of testing and throughout season.  Whatever team gets him there I assume he'll get the bike sorted on it. 

Until then...I'll keep down tube trollin'. :
mondaker bikes

Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums and another couple of Top10s). 2019 was good too, just not that brilliant, after that it came a big dip to the 30/40 places and that's the level he's been at for the last years. 

If you want to point fingers at Mondraker you have to do it since 2020.

 

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1/18/2024 5:13pm

Huh. Weird. Something must have happened during the 2019 WC season for Brook. 

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1/18/2024 5:26pm

Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums...

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums and another couple of Top10s). 2019 was good too, just not that brilliant, after that it came a big dip to the 30/40 places and that's the level he's been at for the last years. 

If you want to point fingers at Mondraker you have to do it since 2020.

 

I'm sure you'd have a 'dip' in performance after being paralysed. Would you place 30/40th in the world 12 months later though?  Didn't think so....

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1/18/2024 5:35pm
Ahab wrote:

Huh. Weird. Something must have happened during the 2019 WC season for Brook. 

I thought he had a huge injury, broke his back didn’t he? 

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1/18/2024 5:41pm
Ahab wrote:

Huh. Weird. Something must have happened during the 2019 WC season for Brook. 

I thought he had a huge injury, broke his back didn’t he? 

thats the joke 0

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1/18/2024 5:57pm
GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums...

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums and another couple of Top10s). 2019 was good too, just not that brilliant, after that it came a big dip to the 30/40 places and that's the level he's been at for the last years. 

If you want to point fingers at Mondraker you have to do it since 2020.

 

DNE87 wrote:

I'm sure you'd have a 'dip' in performance after being paralysed. Would you place 30/40th in the world 12 months later though?  Didn't think so....

Lol you are missing the point.

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1/18/2024 6:49pm

Ollie Davis to atherton!

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tstep wrote:
New B practice episode has been recorded where Dak announces his new old sponsors Also, Dak may or may not have gotten a haircut... (we'll see...

New B practice episode has been recorded where Dak announces his new old sponsors

Also, Dak may or may not have gotten a haircut... (we'll see if Jason got the video to work this time, but no promises lol)

Dak back to Trek, Quick Stop Bike Shop and PC Tooling.

You didn't say how old...

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IMG 4569

Via The OTB Podcast Instagram…

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WCleaks wrote:
Via The OTB Podcast Instagram…

IMG 4569

Via The OTB Podcast Instagram…

Just casually Shilling your own podcast??

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roundman69 wrote:

Ollie Davis to atherton!

Source? Would be really cool if he would join the team.

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METugCapt wrote:

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If the bike on the right is Roanan's bike, he probably isn't riding for Mondraker since they don't run Conti tyres or Dt wheels.

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roundman69 wrote:

Ollie Davis to atherton!

They already have Dom Platt, Charlie, Andy, Gee and Rach. I don’t see Gee and Rach doing a full season so there might be a place for a new rider. Davis had some good results last season, with a strong team like Atherton behind him he can achieve his true potential.

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1/19/2024 12:24am
roundman69 wrote:

Ollie Davis to atherton!

Nicolas M. wrote:

Source? Would be really cool if he would join the team.

From a mates mum who knows the friend of the uncle that served coffee to ollie back in march. 

NO ONE GIVES OUT SOURCES. 

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roundman69 wrote:

Ollie Davis to atherton!

Nicolas M. wrote:

Source? Would be really cool if he would join the team.

roundman69 wrote:

From a mates mum who knows the friend of the uncle that served coffee to ollie back in march. 

NO ONE GIVES OUT SOURCES. 

OD on Atherton would be awesome but He was riding a brand new commencal frame December. Source - my eyeballs 👀 

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Screenshot 20240119 085148 Instagram

Danny on a new bike looks like Nukeproof

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1/19/2024 1:21am

Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums...

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums and another couple of Top10s). 2019 was good too, just not that brilliant, after that it came a big dip to the 30/40 places and that's the level he's been at for the last years. 

If you want to point fingers at Mondraker you have to do it since 2020.

 

Wasn’t the prototype designed by Brooks mechanic? 

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GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums...

Forum member was saying Brook didn't get well with the Mondraker Proto. That's not the story Rootsandrain tells us. Bulldogs prime year was 2018( two podiums and another couple of Top10s). 2019 was good too, just not that brilliant, after that it came a big dip to the 30/40 places and that's the level he's been at for the last years. 

If you want to point fingers at Mondraker you have to do it since 2020.

 

Wasn’t the prototype designed by Brooks mechanic? 

Don't really know, started following DH a couple of years ago. I was responding to a few forum members worried about Dak signing for Mondraker bikes cuz Brook wasn't happy about the proto.

Since Bulldog's dip in performance coincided with an horrific back injury there's a good chance physical and psychological factors played a big part in his downgraded performance - and perhaps his troubles with the bike's design were just an externalisation of said problems.

DH is a high risk sport, riders are threading a very fine line between speed and danger, therefore confidence plays a big role in performance. We have seen it numerous times, a podium can propel an athlete to a run of several top results, at the same time an injury can destroy the confidence and trigger a regress in performance.

At the very limit of grip, where top DH riders battle for that extra tenths that decide the victory, things get fuzzy. The colossal speed of inputs is so high that most of the adjustments are done on the subconscious. So, when a rider is setting up his bike/ suspensions there's is also, besides the real physical attributes of chassis/suspension dynamics vs terrain,  a psychological aspect at play...

Following this line of reasoning is obvius it'd be better for Dak, in terms of confidence, to keep riding the Intense, but, listening to him these two last years , it seems he has reached a great level of maturity and, if he ends riding for Mondraker, I believe he would adjust quite well to the change of bikes.

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Tino_k wrote:
Danny on a new bike looks like Nukeproof

Screenshot 20240119 085148 Instagram

Danny on a new bike looks like Nukeproof

We heard, 15 other times. 

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Don't really know, started following DH a couple of years ago. I was responding to a few forum members worried about Dak signing for Mondraker bikes...

Don't really know, started following DH a couple of years ago. I was responding to a few forum members worried about Dak signing for Mondraker bikes cuz Brook wasn't happy about the proto.

Since Bulldog's dip in performance coincided with an horrific back injury there's a good chance physical and psychological factors played a big part in his downgraded performance - and perhaps his troubles with the bike's design were just an externalisation of said problems.

DH is a high risk sport, riders are threading a very fine line between speed and danger, therefore confidence plays a big role in performance. We have seen it numerous times, a podium can propel an athlete to a run of several top results, at the same time an injury can destroy the confidence and trigger a regress in performance.

At the very limit of grip, where top DH riders battle for that extra tenths that decide the victory, things get fuzzy. The colossal speed of inputs is so high that most of the adjustments are done on the subconscious. So, when a rider is setting up his bike/ suspensions there's is also, besides the real physical attributes of chassis/suspension dynamics vs terrain,  a psychological aspect at play...

Following this line of reasoning is obvius it'd be better for Dak, in terms of confidence, to keep riding the Intense, but, listening to him these two last years , it seems he has reached a great level of maturity and, if he ends riding for Mondraker, I believe he would adjust quite well to the change of bikes.

(Searches Internet for a movie quote about kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin)

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1/19/2024 3:44am Edited Date/Time 1/19/2024 3:45am
bizutch wrote:
If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear...

If Dak winds up on Mondraker, I have the same concerned sentiment of others about the bike not getting along with riders.  But to be clear, BullDog was on a full proto & I assume the team will be on custom length frames but OEM geometry to start the season & they'll give them all varying rear linkages to try.

And for the reason BullDog didn't get along with the proto, I'm not fan of announcing Dak to their team if/when that hashes out.  Would rather he land on a proven design.  I can only assume that whoever he elects to run with, he'll place a lot of need on being based at a European test track or ten for the majority of his season. He's sounded like the thing that would make him happy is to just be at the top of a World Cup track from day 1 of testing and throughout season.  Whatever team gets him there I assume he'll get the bike sorted on it. 

Until then...I'll keep down tube trollin'. :
mondaker bikes

Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

Yep.

I know we've got some brilliant minds on here, but I've got pals on the WC circuit who are all chasing the 2 very distinct items. Anti-squat & anti-rise (one of which Neko referred to in his video). 

Biggest thing these designers are battling is the shelf/stair/loading dock hits the WC tracks dish out.

 

The design guys all know which frames cause issues for racers at speed in the steeps.  The whole "Bulldog is the issue" thing is just an awful take. Zero fan boi bias on my part. 100% issues being openly discussed about the proto.  Someone who knows that link well can chime in, but was told anti-squat is a big issue on it.

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Take a look at Brook's results from 2018 on at Rootsandrain and you'll see the bike has little to do with it

GeorgJung wrote:
different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

clueless 0.png?VersionId=WmzrN8i9Hu0V52R2UVsCW

different bike (last one made by Cesar Rojo)?!

bizutch wrote:
Yep. I know we've got some brilliant minds on here, but I've got pals on the WC circuit who are all chasing the 2 very distinct...

Yep.

I know we've got some brilliant minds on here, but I've got pals on the WC circuit who are all chasing the 2 very distinct items. Anti-squat & anti-rise (one of which Neko referred to in his video). 

Biggest thing these designers are battling is the shelf/stair/loading dock hits the WC tracks dish out.

 

The design guys all know which frames cause issues for racers at speed in the steeps.  The whole "Bulldog is the issue" thing is just an awful take. Zero fan boi bias on my part. 100% issues being openly discussed about the proto.  Someone who knows that link well can chime in, but was told anti-squat is a big issue on it.

But it is the Buldog issue. After the injury he changed, understandably. From top 20 guy to not qualified, its pretty sure its mostly riders fault.(injury, mindset, preparation...)

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The new mondraker team is going to be fine.

they have good suspensions (fox), good tires (maxxis), good geometry (proto bike has adjustment), lots of team support and staff.  They have a race engineer and I’m sure they can modify the bike if needed.

if the bikes antisquat is slightly off that is not going to ruin someone’s career.

 

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