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samdaman1
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1/2/2024 2:58pm
Domo-Kun wrote:

I mean it could be anyone's bike too.

Is unlikely to be a non-pro given the proto tyres on it though, so the spec is interesting regardless. The cranks also look a bit different, but not sure what Amaury has been running before now?

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samdaman1 wrote:
Is unlikely to be a non-pro given the proto tyres on it though, so the spec is interesting regardless. The cranks also look a bit different...

Is unlikely to be a non-pro given the proto tyres on it though, so the spec is interesting regardless. The cranks also look a bit different, but not sure what Amaury has been running before now?

Race Face Atlas

 

 

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fluider
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1/3/2024 12:55am Edited Date/Time 1/3/2024 4:42am

I bet it's Darkside which will be updated with current suspension platform. And it'll be end of an era of traditional Banshee layout with shock horizontally placed into the middle of downtube.

I'm still rocking Banshee Rune ... V1.5, with custom ballbearing suspension links, slackened HA by -2°. Changed drivetrains, forks, wheels but that thing can't get broken. How am I supposed to justify buying a newer frame ?

https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/fluider/banshee-rune-v1-5-my2010

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3beN
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1/3/2024 1:55am

Anybody heard anything about Evil bikes getting a refresh? Especially the Following seems due for one.

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b.ay
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1/3/2024 4:16am

Yeah, time 2. Geo looks terrible on paper with every model, pinkbike review of the Following v3 was drastic. 

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1/3/2024 4:36am
b.ay wrote:

Yeah, time 2. Geo looks terrible on paper with every model, pinkbike review of the Following v3 was drastic. 

They work so well though

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1/3/2024 5:08am
b.ay wrote:

Yeah, time 2. Geo looks terrible on paper with every model, pinkbike review of the Following v3 was drastic. 

They're not terrible though - I think the PB review was kinda looking at it wrong. It's not an efficient xc bike - it's a very capable short travel trail bike. I've got one running a Super Deluxe Air and my Ohlins RXF36 air forks at 140 (which taking into account the A2C of the RXF36s is more like a fox 150) and it climbs better than it has any right to and is really efficient.

They've just updated them to the LS range to include UDH and captured trunnion bolt washers - I'd be surprised if anything else is coming out soon.

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1/3/2024 6:43am
b.ay wrote:

Yeah, time 2. Geo looks terrible on paper with every model, pinkbike review of the Following v3 was drastic. 

JerseyMojo wrote:
They're not terrible though - I think the PB review was kinda looking at it wrong. It's not an efficient xc bike - it's a very...

They're not terrible though - I think the PB review was kinda looking at it wrong. It's not an efficient xc bike - it's a very capable short travel trail bike. I've got one running a Super Deluxe Air and my Ohlins RXF36 air forks at 140 (which taking into account the A2C of the RXF36s is more like a fox 150) and it climbs better than it has any right to and is really efficient.

They've just updated them to the LS range to include UDH and captured trunnion bolt washers - I'd be surprised if anything else is coming out soon.

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monarchmason
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1/3/2024 6:53am
3beN wrote:

Anybody heard anything about Evil bikes getting a refresh? Especially the Following seems due for one.

My LBS on Saturday mentioned evil is releasing the Offering in Feb or end of Jan. I dont exactly remember if he mentioned the Following. To be quite honest I always get those two frames mixed up so its one or the other. Or both. But something is coming soon. 

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1/3/2024 10:33am
Jrp wrote:

Not really tech but apparently fox factory brought ride concepts 

earleb wrote:

Fox Factory owns Race Face...so adding shoes to the Race Face clothing kinda makes sense. 

My buddy is a rep for Ride Concepts and he told me about a month ago that they were in talks to be acquired by a...

My buddy is a rep for Ride Concepts and he told me about a month ago that they were in talks to be acquired by a "big" company.  He couldn't tell me which but that makes sense.  

I emailed Ride Concepts about sizing questions and they responded by apologizing for how long the response took. "Holidays are super busy for us plus transitioning into Fox."

Which Fox? Dunno...

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TimBud
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1/3/2024 10:36am

Fox (Shox not Head)

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1/3/2024 10:51am
TimBud wrote:

Fox (Shox not Head)

I think you're right - looked up the rep's name on LinkedIn and she's been at Fox Factory in Scottsdale for over a year. Wasn't even a Ride Concepts employee, so it sounds like they've already merged.

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1/3/2024 11:02am
3beN wrote:

Anybody heard anything about Evil bikes getting a refresh? Especially the Following seems due for one.

My LBS on Saturday mentioned evil is releasing the Offering in Feb or end of Jan. I dont exactly remember if he mentioned the Following. To...

My LBS on Saturday mentioned evil is releasing the Offering in Feb or end of Jan. I dont exactly remember if he mentioned the Following. To be quite honest I always get those two frames mixed up so its one or the other. Or both. But something is coming soon. 

offering v3 you say? i am in trouble

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Evil96
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1/3/2024 11:03am
b.ay wrote:

Yeah, time 2. Geo looks terrible on paper with every model, pinkbike review of the Following v3 was drastic. 

trust me, ride one and then speak, agree that on paper it doesn't look amazing but they ride so sick

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TimBud
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1/3/2024 11:18am
I think you're right - looked up the rep's name on LinkedIn and she's been at Fox Factory in Scottsdale for over a year. Wasn't even...

I think you're right - looked up the rep's name on LinkedIn and she's been at Fox Factory in Scottsdale for over a year. Wasn't even a Ride Concepts employee, so it sounds like they've already merged.

It’s weird in the UK right now.

Fox have setup their own operation here but Silverfish still import and distribute Fox, RaceFace and RideConcepts.

Fox currently have no plans to handle UK distribution in house, but they are servicing and handling all warranty.

I hope they do more soon, because Silverfish are not great.

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I know ride concept and fox have been slowly merging for at least the last 6 months.

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O1D4
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1/4/2024 6:36am

Not so much a tech rumor and more just a bike I don't recognize... Top tube/Seat tube area has a bit of a GT vibe but they don't have an XC bike currently... 20240104 112913 %281%29-01.jpeg?VersionId=

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1/4/2024 6:54am
O1D4 wrote:
Not so much a tech rumor and more just a bike I don't recognize... Top tube/Seat tube area has a bit of a GT vibe but...

Not so much a tech rumor and more just a bike I don't recognize... Top tube/Seat tube area has a bit of a GT vibe but they don't have an XC bike currently... 20240104 112913 %281%29-01.jpeg?VersionId=

That front brake line.... Angry

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NoahColorado
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1/4/2024 6:55am
O1D4 wrote:
Not so much a tech rumor and more just a bike I don't recognize... Top tube/Seat tube area has a bit of a GT vibe but...

Not so much a tech rumor and more just a bike I don't recognize... Top tube/Seat tube area has a bit of a GT vibe but they don't have an XC bike currently... 20240104 112913 %281%29-01.jpeg?VersionId=

Once I look past the front brake hose routing, I think I see a Lightcarbon FS958 frame.

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matmattmatthew
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1/4/2024 8:07am

Not gonna lie, I'm kinda digging that frame.  

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1/4/2024 1:57pm

My gut reaction to that frame as I absently scrolled was 'oh, the new Evil has a new suspension platform,' but evidently not. Rear triangle, a lot of the lines give off Evil vibes.

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1/4/2024 2:39pm

A friend had a Greys branded one. Rear end has the lateral stiffness of a twizzler 06312044-5B69-43F5-A932-83529F85B2DE.jpeg?VersionId=lKdQq4FwtM2R1r

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1/4/2024 11:36pm

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

IMG 4514

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1/4/2024 11:40pm
New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

IMG 4514

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

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samdaman1
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1/5/2024 8:45am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2024 8:47am
New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

IMG 4514

manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

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All-MTN-MTB
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1/5/2024 9:25am Edited Date/Time 1/5/2024 9:25am
New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

New Saint Crank on Jacksons Bike? I believe the old Saints are not direct mount, so no chance to fit an O-Chain?

IMG 4514

manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

samdaman1 wrote:
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?

samdaman1
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1/5/2024 9:37am
manny.bike wrote:
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...

Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.

samdaman1 wrote:
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...

I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!

Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there...

I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?

It looks better to me than the Shimano direct mount chainrings (subjective but looks do matter to an extent), and it also allows for more options such as very durable steel chainrings like those made by Burgtec, amongst others

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1/5/2024 10:31am

News YT Tues coming on MoiMoiTV 

Screenshot 20240105 192927 YouTube

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monarchmason
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1/5/2024 11:24am
News YT Tues coming on MoiMoiTV 

News YT Tues coming on MoiMoiTV 

Screenshot 20240105 192927 YouTube

Due to the fabric being pretty tight you can see some of the linkage. Quite frankly it kind of looks the same. I may be missing something though, I dont exactly have a huge crush on YT frames myself so I dont know them well. 

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pinkrobe
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1/5/2024 12:43pm

Vorsprung posted an IG blurb about their new rear shock, Shocky McShockface. There's even a picture!

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