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12/18/2023 12:54pm
DirkT wrote:
New grip coming?

New grip coming?58CD5B6E-D9EB-4C24-8392-4D96D119644C

I hope there is not much more inside this than a bunch of (metric) shims and a low speed neddle. They can even have his awesome Sideways grip1 regresive piston, as there are "easy" walkarounds to solve this, but please, pretty please, none of that vvc new flanged bullshit. I also hope that this base valve assy will bolt straight into an old grip damper tube. Yes, i know i am asking for to much

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12/19/2023 11:40am
DirkT wrote:
New grip coming?

New grip coming?58CD5B6E-D9EB-4C24-8392-4D96D119644C

Zocchi getting Grip2, new dampers on Fox PE and Factory stuff next year likely? Depends on if they can clear out the 38's they've been selling for $450 lately.

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12/19/2023 12:10pm
I already have unlimited float when I take my foot off the pedal.  https://bikerumor.com/a-flat-pedal-with-float-8-degree-pedal-offers-8o-of-actual-float-with-normal-shoes/ https://www.8degreepedal.com/  

I already have unlimited float when I take my foot off the pedal. 

https://bikerumor.com/a-flat-pedal-with-float-8-degree-pedal-offers-8o-…

https://www.8degreepedal.com/

 

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It looks like the 8 degree float comes from using button heads instead of pins.

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12/19/2023 12:17pm
I already have unlimited float when I take my foot off the pedal.  https://bikerumor.com/a-flat-pedal-with-float-8-degree-pedal-offers-8o-of-actual-float-with-normal-shoes/ https://www.8degreepedal.com/  

I already have unlimited float when I take my foot off the pedal. 

https://bikerumor.com/a-flat-pedal-with-float-8-degree-pedal-offers-8o-…

https://www.8degreepedal.com/

 

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Tim Horton wrote:

It looks like the 8 degree float comes from using button heads instead of pins.

Even more odd, the float is from this...

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12/19/2023 2:15pm
I already have unlimited float when I take my foot off the pedal.  https://bikerumor.com/a-flat-pedal-with-float-8-degree-pedal-offers-8o-of-actual-float-with-normal-shoes/ https://www.8degreepedal.com/  

I already have unlimited float when I take my foot off the pedal. 

https://bikerumor.com/a-flat-pedal-with-float-8-degree-pedal-offers-8o-…

https://www.8degreepedal.com/

 

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Tim Horton wrote:

It looks like the 8 degree float comes from using button heads instead of pins.

Even more odd, the float is from this...

Even more odd, the float is from this...

image-20231219121649-1

So now it’s tacky shoes and grippy platform pedals that are causing us injuries. Got it...

I suppose these might give your bike the feeling that there’s some flex while cornering and stuff no? So many questions.

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12/19/2023 2:30pm

What's even more about that 'pedal concept', most of their page photos are of riders on clipless set ups. 

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12/20/2023 10:31am

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

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12/20/2023 10:39am
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

Looks awesome! Reminds me of the old Specialized derailleur buddy. It's obviously printed, but out of what material? Can't tell if it's metal or plastic.

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12/20/2023 10:45am
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

TEAMROBOT wrote:

Looks awesome! Reminds me of the old Specialized derailleur buddy. It's obviously printed, but out of what material? Can't tell if it's metal or plastic.

Material is aluminum (AlSi10Mg), M4 bolt passes through the derailleur bolt from the back and threads in to secure it.  If it seems there would be interest I'll make some available.

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12/20/2023 11:04am

Great idea and execution! Been thinking about this for Shimano derailleurs for awhile.

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12/20/2023 11:10am
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

Very cool.

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12/20/2023 12:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2023 12:02pm

Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the derailleur, so maybe make it a two part item?

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12/20/2023 12:09pm
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

TEAMROBOT wrote:

Looks awesome! Reminds me of the old Specialized derailleur buddy. It's obviously printed, but out of what material? Can't tell if it's metal or plastic.

kroe wrote:
Material is aluminum (AlSi10Mg), M4 bolt passes through the derailleur bolt from the back and threads in to secure it.  If it seems there would be...

Material is aluminum (AlSi10Mg), M4 bolt passes through the derailleur bolt from the back and threads in to secure it.  If it seems there would be interest I'll make some available.

Nice job, I would buy one for sure if you made a batch Smile

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12/20/2023 12:19pm
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

Think you could do something with Shimano derailleurs? I would rather not have to replace the XT derailleur on my parkduro bike every few months.

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12/20/2023 12:40pm
Primoz wrote:
Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the...

Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the derailleur, so maybe make it a two part item?

Can be made millable, but had fun with the shape since it didn't have to be.  SLM is a great process - only advantage i see of milling is ability to anodize colors - AlSi10Mg is highly corrosion resistant and strong, but it's silver (conveniently the silver goes with the derailleur cage and decals quite well).    

Titanium is an option - with the fun anodization options that brings, but much more expensive for same utility so aside from a small number of misguided humans (like myself - purple Ti for me) aluminum makes more sense.

There's a small post as you were picturing - threaded so the derailleur doesn't need any modification (threads through not just the nub is threaded).  

Brace Together 2

 

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12/20/2023 12:47pm
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

Think you could do something with Shimano derailleurs? I would rather not have to replace the XT derailleur on my parkduro bike every few months.

Yes, I just haven't measured one yet - pretty much the same thing just needs adjusting for bolt length.  

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12/20/2023 1:15pm

love to have one for my e-bike.

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12/20/2023 1:24pm
kroe wrote:
Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links...

Eagle derailleur was feeling left out - so I made a thing - replaces the washer on a standard UDH dropout with a "Brace" that links the rear derailleur for strength and stiffness.

Brace Front 0Brace Back

Think you could do something with Shimano derailleurs? I would rather not have to replace the XT derailleur on my parkduro bike every few months.

kroe wrote:

Yes, I just haven't measured one yet - pretty much the same thing just needs adjusting for bolt length.  

I would love to get one once you make the measurements. DM me your venmo or something, would love to get one later on.

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12/20/2023 1:25pm
Primoz wrote:
Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the...

Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the derailleur, so maybe make it a two part item?

kroe wrote:
Can be made millable, but had fun with the shape since it didn't have to be.  SLM is a great process - only advantage i see...

Can be made millable, but had fun with the shape since it didn't have to be.  SLM is a great process - only advantage i see of milling is ability to anodize colors - AlSi10Mg is highly corrosion resistant and strong, but it's silver (conveniently the silver goes with the derailleur cage and decals quite well).    

Titanium is an option - with the fun anodization options that brings, but much more expensive for same utility so aside from a small number of misguided humans (like myself - purple Ti for me) aluminum makes more sense.

There's a small post as you were picturing - threaded so the derailleur doesn't need any modification (threads through not just the nub is threaded).  

Brace Together 2

 

Ah, sneaky. No need to do a two parter on this one.

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12/20/2023 2:42pm

That's super neat, a great innovation! it would shield my derailleur from 80% of the strikes on the side of it

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12/20/2023 6:35pm

very cool I'd buy one if it's under 20$ cad @luckilycmoi on instagram

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12/21/2023 7:09am
Primoz wrote:
Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the...

Should prevent the hanger from bending quite a bit. Clean up the design to make it CNC millable? I'm guessing there's a post going into the derailleur, so maybe make it a two part item?

kroe wrote:
Can be made millable, but had fun with the shape since it didn't have to be.  SLM is a great process - only advantage i see...

Can be made millable, but had fun with the shape since it didn't have to be.  SLM is a great process - only advantage i see of milling is ability to anodize colors - AlSi10Mg is highly corrosion resistant and strong, but it's silver (conveniently the silver goes with the derailleur cage and decals quite well).    

Titanium is an option - with the fun anodization options that brings, but much more expensive for same utility so aside from a small number of misguided humans (like myself - purple Ti for me) aluminum makes more sense.

There's a small post as you were picturing - threaded so the derailleur doesn't need any modification (threads through not just the nub is threaded).  

Brace Together 2

 

I'd buy that twice (and I don't even have an UDH compatible frame yet)

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12/21/2023 7:10am

very cool I'd buy one if it's under 20$ cad @luckilycmoi on instagram

Guy is already lowballing before release lmao 

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12/21/2023 12:28pm

Great idea but not new at all. That already existed 15+ years ago and e.g. Syntace offered it for their bikes.

Syntace

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12/21/2023 1:24pm

But isnt the UDH designed to break to save your derailleur?

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12/21/2023 3:18pm

lol, Vital gets more and more Pinkbike-ish. When presenting facts (like in the tire weight discussion) or prior art (here), you get downvoted. Laughing

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12/21/2023 3:25pm
iRider wrote:
Great idea but not new at all. That already existed 15+ years ago and e.g. Syntace offered it for their bikes.

Great idea but not new at all. That already existed 15+ years ago and e.g. Syntace offered it for their bikes.

Syntace

Specialized also had them on the Demo for years.

spec swrksdemoblk 13 zSpecialized-Demo-Carbon-2015-650B 66

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12/21/2023 3:27pm
iRider wrote:
lol, Vital gets more and more Pinkbike-ish. When presenting facts (like in the tire weight discussion) or prior art (here), you get downvoted. 

lol, Vital gets more and more Pinkbike-ish. When presenting facts (like in the tire weight discussion) or prior art (here), you get downvoted. Laughing

It was already covered that this isn't a new concept, Specialized sold it as well, what is new is making for UDH so all bikes can use it.

Down get so upset

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