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12/8/2023 12:14pm
Heres a one off / prototype I made for myself that after some interest I will be doing a small batch of, Enjoy! Its a seatpost...

Heres a one off / prototype I made for myself that after some interest I will be doing a small batch of, Enjoy!

Its a seatpost steepening shim:

Reduces effective top tube length by 8-10mm (at 350mm extension from collar) 

Specs:
30.9mm to 34.9 mm 
Actual seatpost angle : ~ +1.0 degree
Effective seatpost angle : ~ +0.6 degree
Maximum :~280mm (Full depth on a 2020 Enduro) 

https://www.instagram.com/zencomponents

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I'm assuming this could be turned 180 degrees to slacken a seat angle as well? Some bikes take seat angle to the extreme.

Absolutely 

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12/8/2023 12:18pm
AndehM wrote:

That's brilliant.  No creaking?  I'd love to give one of those a try, if you decide to sell some and will ship to the US.

Thanks! No creaks 

Happy to ship to the US, I'll keep you/the forum updated but expecting a final batch within a month or two.

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Primoz wrote:
People on this forum were calling them shit aliexpress copies, but the Aliexpress ones are completely different, ~100 € for a pair, sold under the Onirii...

People on this forum were calling them shit aliexpress copies, but the Aliexpress ones are completely different, ~100 € for a pair, sold under the Onirii brand on Ali and under the Clarks banner in the UK. Those have a monoblock caliper for example.

The Lewis variant is not available on Aliexpress (at least it wasn't) and takes a lot of inspiration from the Trickstuff... stuff. And they are more expensive.

I said at the time they are different, but I was adamantly told it's the same brake. @ncerni has all of them, the Onirii Aliexpress brakes and the Lewis brakes in both 4 and 2-piston variants. He is also the friend I said at the time has them.

I haven't tried any of them, but everybody in the friend circle that has tried the 4-piston Lewis model completely and utterly raves about them.

Look up zoom hb 910 brakes. Few subtle differences but same overall product. Most likely the manufacturer of these brakes allows customisation for a cost

May I request to snuff this fire? We have already discussed this and quite frankly, its almost as bad as some of the ebike motor comparison...

May I request to snuff this fire? We have already discussed this and quite frankly, its almost as bad as some of the ebike motor comparison debates. Hate to be that guy but… 

Yeah you can request that mate.

They look decent, the adjustable leverage is cool. I'd love to try them. 

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12/9/2023 6:09am

Look up zoom hb 910 brakes. Few subtle differences but same overall product. Most likely the manufacturer of these brakes allows customisation for a cost

May I request to snuff this fire? We have already discussed this and quite frankly, its almost as bad as some of the ebike motor comparison...

May I request to snuff this fire? We have already discussed this and quite frankly, its almost as bad as some of the ebike motor comparison debates. Hate to be that guy but… 

Primoz wrote:
Because it's chinese? Hate to break it to you, but when it comes to road stuff, carbon wheels and mechanical drivetrain groups from China appear to...

Because it's chinese? Hate to break it to you, but when it comes to road stuff, carbon wheels and mechanical drivetrain groups from China appear to be pummeling western products into the ground. I don't think it's a good idea to wholly dismiss overseas stuff and development...

No no. It was just that we had discussed it already and it was just people claiming one set of brakes was the same/different as another over pictures. It seemed argumentative by some parties than a genuine discussion. Thats all. Smile  

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12/9/2023 11:28am

Look up zoom hb 910 brakes. Few subtle differences but same overall product. Most likely the manufacturer of these brakes allows customisation for a cost

May I request to snuff this fire? We have already discussed this and quite frankly, its almost as bad as some of the ebike motor comparison...

May I request to snuff this fire? We have already discussed this and quite frankly, its almost as bad as some of the ebike motor comparison debates. Hate to be that guy but… 

Primoz wrote:
Because it's chinese? Hate to break it to you, but when it comes to road stuff, carbon wheels and mechanical drivetrain groups from China appear to...

Because it's chinese? Hate to break it to you, but when it comes to road stuff, carbon wheels and mechanical drivetrain groups from China appear to be pummeling western products into the ground. I don't think it's a good idea to wholly dismiss overseas stuff and development...

Out of curiosity, what products are you referring to exactly, and what products are they "pummelling"

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12/9/2023 1:05pm
Onawalk wrote:

Out of curiosity, what products are you referring to exactly, and what products are they "pummelling"

Yeah this has me curious too. To be honest I see people post about these semi legit Chinese components and wonder where the hell people find this stuff. Haha

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Mechanical groupsets for road bikes (the stuff that basically doesn't exist from classical 'western' brands anymore...) is tested all over YouTube. Don't have a heartbeat on it, a but a friend of mine is very convinced they will make massive inroads on the market share sooner rather than later. One running theory is that Sram will focus on the high end, high margin stuff (AXS) and leave the lower, mechanical end to the Chinese.

For wheel, Peak Torque is testing loads of them from different brands and does the nitty gritty on them, aero and stiffness testing, taking a close look at the bearings, not saving words when something's not right, etc.

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12/10/2023 2:11am
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my...

IMG 1012.jpg?VersionId=1rj4P44 DQMA9pTC6ffHi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my mates, and spotted a guy riding with some strange ass brakes. I couldn't see cables running up to the bar. I tried to get a quick photo, but this was all I could manage. Maybe ABS or wireless brakes?! 

 

 

We've been trolled it seemsGrinning

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12/10/2023 6:12am
Heres a one off / prototype I made for myself that after some interest I will be doing a small batch of, Enjoy! Its a seatpost...

Heres a one off / prototype I made for myself that after some interest I will be doing a small batch of, Enjoy!

Its a seatpost steepening shim:

Reduces effective top tube length by 8-10mm (at 350mm extension from collar) 

Specs:
30.9mm to 34.9 mm 
Actual seatpost angle : ~ +1.0 degree
Effective seatpost angle : ~ +0.6 degree
Maximum :~280mm (Full depth on a 2020 Enduro) 

https://www.instagram.com/zencomponents

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Are you planning to sell these in the future? I'd certainly be interested!

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12/10/2023 11:43am
Primoz wrote:
Mechanical groupsets for road bikes (the stuff that basically doesn't exist from classical 'western' brands anymore...) is tested all over YouTube. Don't have a heartbeat on...

Mechanical groupsets for road bikes (the stuff that basically doesn't exist from classical 'western' brands anymore...) is tested all over YouTube. Don't have a heartbeat on it, a but a friend of mine is very convinced they will make massive inroads on the market share sooner rather than later. One running theory is that Sram will focus on the high end, high margin stuff (AXS) and leave the lower, mechanical end to the Chinese.

For wheel, Peak Torque is testing loads of them from different brands and does the nitty gritty on them, aero and stiffness testing, taking a close look at the bearings, not saving words when something's not right, etc.

I dont know man,

thats very little to back up your claim that Chinese products are currently "pummelling" whats available (are you refering to Shimano as a Western brand, thats just strange)

I have no issue with a Chinese branded/manufactured product (would love if they were open, and fell under the same sort of scrutiny that "Western" brands did) I just want durable, cost effective parts that work well for their intended purpose.

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12/10/2023 12:02pm
Hi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my...

IMG 1012.jpg?VersionId=1rj4P44 DQMA9pTC6ffHi. A mate said it would be worth posting this on here. I was out riding in the forest of dean at the weekend with my mates, and spotted a guy riding with some strange ass brakes. I couldn't see cables running up to the bar. I tried to get a quick photo, but this was all I could manage. Maybe ABS or wireless brakes?! 

bikelurker wrote:
    We've been trolled it seems
 

 

We've been trolled it seemsGrinning

Indeed we were!

Tip of the hat for the GMBN guys for the whole setup

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12/10/2023 12:09pm
FullSend wrote:

Are you planning to sell these in the future? I'd certainly be interested!

Sure am! Currently working on a production batch which should be ready within a month or two.

You can follow along here 

https://www.instagram.com/zencomponents

But I'll also keep the forum updated  when there ready to go 

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12/10/2023 7:12pm

IMG 8393 3

 

Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread.

 

Chilcotin will be the next Knolly to get the Gen 6 treatment. Not really a rumor, but 🤷🏽‍♂️

 

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12/11/2023 2:09am

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I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.

 

Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build. I think this was caught at the Dyfi Bike park

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12/11/2023 3:11am
  I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.   Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build...

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I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.

 

Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build. I think this was caught at the Dyfi Bike park

Standard dw-link as opposed to dw6, too

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12/11/2023 3:21am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2023 3:26am
  I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.   Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build...

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I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.

 

Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build. I think this was caught at the Dyfi Bike park

Athertonhorse Sunday it is.

(edit: daaaamn that thing is hot.)

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Heavier yes. More expensive maybe, depends on how the lugs are made. If they can be made cheaply enough, I could imagine the final production price to be fairly similar to welded frames. As you don't need a welder, don't need to straighten the frames during heat treating, don't need to heat treat them, etc.

The production process could potentially be a lot less energy intensive, at least the assembly of it (if the parts themselves are produced energy intensely). FYI, aluminium cars are bonded, not welded.

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Prototypes usually don't have reasonable costs associated with them... 

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12/11/2023 4:54am

Long time lurker but first time poster. Didn’t want to comment but with that photo released the cat is probably out of the bag.
 

That is the Atherton AL170? aluminium prototype at Dyfi. Had a good look back in the summer, was just on an uplift and got talking to one of their trail builders. He was very open about it, answering all my questions! They’ve all been testing it all summer, basically trying to destroy it by putting years worth of riding into months. It was absolutely beat up when I saw it, but he said it’s indestructible. 
 

Aluminium bonded into aluminium lugs with a fairly rudimentary CNC swingarm. The tubing on is really thick, probably 50% over a ‘normal’ tube size and seriously burly. Geometry looked very similar to the current AM170. Weight was in line with a standard aluminium enduro bike, and that’s with some pretty heavy duty parts. 
 

Depending on price and where it’s built, if they do a AL130X frame only I’ll probably buy one. 

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12/11/2023 11:10am

Kona doing BoGO sale on Process's, like actually buy one, get one free, sounds pretty sus. 

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12/11/2023 11:41am
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Kona doing BoGO sale on Process's, like actually buy one, get one free, sounds pretty sus. 

Off topic, but there retail pricing sucks. 

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12/11/2023 12:33pm

baby lets go bogo on a hei hei 

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12/11/2023 12:48pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2023 12:52pm

Ouch. How's that go for a local bike shop with a floor full of Konas? I don't imagine they can match 50% off. 

 

Just checked my local shop, they have 47 Konas in stock, most 20-25% off already. 8 Process in stock, only the 24 is full price (and a few hundred more than the Ripcord it's hanging next to). 

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12/11/2023 2:42pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2023 10:31pm
Primoz wrote:
Heavier yes. More expensive maybe, depends on how the lugs are made. If they can be made cheaply enough, I could imagine the final production price...

Heavier yes. More expensive maybe, depends on how the lugs are made. If they can be made cheaply enough, I could imagine the final production price to be fairly similar to welded frames. As you don't need a welder, don't need to straighten the frames during heat treating, don't need to heat treat them, etc.

The production process could potentially be a lot less energy intensive, at least the assembly of it (if the parts themselves are produced energy intensely). FYI, aluminium cars are bonded, not welded.

And without welding you're basically free to use any grade of aluminium alloy you like for the tubing

 

I wonder if I can ask for one in bamboo

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12/11/2023 11:02pm
  I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.   Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build...

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I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.

 

Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build. I think this was caught at the Dyfi Bike park

Looks like a Ghost Smile  

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12/12/2023 10:11am Edited Date/Time 12/12/2023 10:11am

Spotted a new Canfield of some sort, vertical shock link, looked to be about 140-160mm travel. Guy riding it said it's "prototype" but refused to give any other information. Didn't get a spy shot because I am dumb.

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12/12/2023 10:59am
  I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.   Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build...

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I finally opened an account because I finally found something interesting to share.

 

Aluminum Atherton Prototype. Supposed to be there more budget friendly build. I think this was caught at the Dyfi Bike park

(Puts on his fireproof suit) That Atherton looks like something developed for the Blue Man Group. You could say it was plumbed in to be that way. Light your matches, flick your Bics people. Let the downvoting commence :D

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12/12/2023 6:19pm
Spotted a new Canfield of some sort, vertical shock link, looked to be about 140-160mm travel. Guy riding it said it's "prototype" but refused to give...

Spotted a new Canfield of some sort, vertical shock link, looked to be about 140-160mm travel. Guy riding it said it's "prototype" but refused to give any other information. Didn't get a spy shot because I am dumb.

I assume it was aluminum? Probably had enough room for a bottle? 29 or Mx?

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