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9/7/2023 5:02pm
So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to...

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So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to post it so I mocked up the linkage (links, pivot points) of the new frame. I used a Trek rear end to make the mock-up easier (the rocker on this bike does look a little different than the Trek on in this image above. The pivot points in this mock-up are pretty accurate to the photo. 2 short links, horst pivot. Looks like something I've seen before, but can't pinpoint it. This bike was spotted in the PNW, but not sure that means anything. Looks to be a trail to enduro bike. Probably 140-160mm range based on shock size and stout looking frame. 

It's a DW6.

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9/7/2023 5:13pm
slimshady wrote:

It's a DW6.

I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay. 
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.  

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9/7/2023 5:35pm
slimshady wrote:

It's a DW6.

I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.  Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe...

I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay. 
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.  

DW6 has a pivot on the chainstay. Go check an Atherton

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9/7/2023 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/7/2023 5:38pm
slimshady wrote:

It's a DW6.

I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.  Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe...

I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay. 
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.  

The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:

 

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9/7/2023 6:07pm

slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"

Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up. 
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up. 
 

9/7/2023 6:08pm
brash wrote:

Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.

Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name

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slimshady
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9/7/2023 6:12pm
slimshady wrote: "The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:" Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely...

slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"

Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up. 
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up. 
 

Not really. The original DW-Link patent is expiring, the suspension layout used in the Atherton bikes is covered under a different patent. That's why the system is called DW6 and not DW-Link.

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9/7/2023 6:44pm
slimshady wrote: "The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:" Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely...

slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"

Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up. 
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up. 
 

Pivot have their new DW DH prototype, so it could be a new pivot.

Idk what other brands have licensed DW6?

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9/8/2023 6:33am
slimshady wrote: "The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:" Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely...

slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"

Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up. 
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up. 
 

Pivot have their new DW DH prototype, so it could be a new pivot.

Idk what other brands have licensed DW6?

Based on the location of the spotting, my guess is either evil, ibis, or Devinci. Totally guessing though. 

9/8/2023 8:22am

Devinci won’t leave the split-pivot, they just started using a high-pivot version of it. 
Ibis is strictly on dw-link. Now, Evil leaving the delta-suspension and trying something new like a dw6 design would be great! All their bikes look the same and have been single-pivots for quite some time (cause that’s what the delta is - a single pivot design). 

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9/8/2023 10:48am
brash wrote:

Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.

Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new...

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name

Can't wait to see what suspension moistening technology they're going to come up with, Fox WAS (wet ass suspension).

I think the word you're looking for damper.

A dampener would be something having the job of making wet.

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9/8/2023 12:12pm
brash wrote:

Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.

Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new...

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name

Can't wait to see what suspension moistening technology they're going to come up with, Fox WAS (wet ass suspension). I think the word you're looking for...

Can't wait to see what suspension moistening technology they're going to come up with, Fox WAS (wet ass suspension).

I think the word you're looking for damper.

A dampener would be something having the job of making wet.

STANKSHUN 

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9/8/2023 2:01pm
If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new...

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name

Can't wait to see what suspension moistening technology they're going to come up with, Fox WAS (wet ass suspension). I think the word you're looking for...

Can't wait to see what suspension moistening technology they're going to come up with, Fox WAS (wet ass suspension).

I think the word you're looking for damper.

A dampener would be something having the job of making wet.

STANKSHUN 

*stantion.

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9/8/2023 2:15pm
So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to...

linkage-new

So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to post it so I mocked up the linkage (links, pivot points) of the new frame. I used a Trek rear end to make the mock-up easier (the rocker on this bike does look a little different than the Trek on in this image above. The pivot points in this mock-up are pretty accurate to the photo. 2 short links, horst pivot. Looks like something I've seen before, but can't pinpoint it. This bike was spotted in the PNW, but not sure that means anything. Looks to be a trail to enduro bike. Probably 140-160mm range based on shock size and stout looking frame. 

If those dual link pivots in your mockup are close to the actual pivot locations, the only way I can see for it to work would be for the links to be counter-rotating, like VPP (I know that the VPP patents are not around counter rotating links, but rather falling-rising-falling leverage ratio, and an S shaped axle path, and that the DW link patent(s) is around an axle path and leverage ratio that creates rising antisquat and dropping leverage rates only around the sag point, not necessarily dual co-rotating links) making it unlikely that its a DW-6

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9/8/2023 5:18pm

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Santa is goinfg Fazua (as expected) on the light emtb trail bike which is shown here.

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9/8/2023 5:22pm

IMG 3302 1

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9/8/2023 5:24pm

IMG 3303
 

New Bike shown here and in the next pic

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9/8/2023 5:24pm

IMG 3304
 

Bike in the background and name on the box pretty hidden

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9/8/2023 5:29pm
  Bike in the background and name on the box pretty hidden

IMG 3304
 

Bike in the background and name on the box pretty hidden

It will be under the Heckler name from what I have heard.

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9/8/2023 9:39pm
brash wrote:

Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.

Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new...

If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name

Damper

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9/8/2023 9:56pm

Long time lurker, first time poster. 
 

been keeping tabs on the new speshys, but also curious about a dreadnought V2. Had the Druid v2 out for a bit, and the DH has the same split rear triangle as the new Druid. Dreadnought surely to follow soon? 

9/8/2023 11:51pm
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Long time lurker, first time poster.    been keeping tabs on the new speshys, but also curious about a dreadnought V2. Had the Druid v2 out...

Long time lurker, first time poster. 
 

been keeping tabs on the new speshys, but also curious about a dreadnought V2. Had the Druid v2 out for a bit, and the DH has the same split rear triangle as the new Druid. Dreadnought surely to follow soon? 

I will still need some time Wink

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9/9/2023 4:04am
blensen wrote:
Confirmed Guerilla Gravity is shutting down. A friend of mine just got this email from them this week.   

Confirmed Guerilla Gravity is shutting down. A friend of mine just got this email from them this week. 
 

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That’s a shame.  Have to wonder what role switching from $2k aluminum frames to $3k plastic frames played. 
 

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9/9/2023 6:13am

Just saw this on Sram’s IG yesterday.  Victor Koretzky’s XCC winning bike with what looks to be AXS lockout??  Or possibly flight attendant.  The battery “piggyback” looks quite a bit different from the other flight attendant rear shocks.  Also, what is the battery (I think) strapped to the seat
IMG 2739
IMG 2738

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9/9/2023 6:32am

screenshot from RRs IG, right side looks like normal grip2 damper, but no idea what‘s going on on the left side of his fork, maybe a coil 38 incomin?

IMG 9356

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9/9/2023 6:53am
krabo83 wrote:
screenshot from RRs IG, right side looks like normal grip2 damper, but no idea what‘s going on on the left side of his fork, maybe a...

screenshot from RRs IG, right side looks like normal grip2 damper, but no idea what‘s going on on the left side of his fork, maybe a coil 38 incomin?

IMG 9356

That’s a BYB Telemetry top cap

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9/9/2023 7:20am
Just saw this on Sram’s IG yesterday.  Victor Koretzky’s XCC winning bike with what looks to be AXS lockout??  Or possibly flight attendant.  The battery “piggyback”...

Just saw this on Sram’s IG yesterday.  Victor Koretzky’s XCC winning bike with what looks to be AXS lockout??  Or possibly flight attendant.  The battery “piggyback” looks quite a bit different from the other flight attendant rear shocks.  Also, what is the battery (I think) strapped to the seat
IMG 2739
IMG 2738

Flight attendant.

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krabo83
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9/9/2023 7:27am
mrpfp wrote:

That’s a BYB Telemetry top cap

thx, thought about that but haven‘t really seen it on an enduro bike before, so thought it must be something different.

9/9/2023 9:53am
Just saw this on Sram’s IG yesterday.  Victor Koretzky’s XCC winning bike with what looks to be AXS lockout??  Or possibly flight attendant.  The battery “piggyback”...

Just saw this on Sram’s IG yesterday.  Victor Koretzky’s XCC winning bike with what looks to be AXS lockout??  Or possibly flight attendant.  The battery “piggyback” looks quite a bit different from the other flight attendant rear shocks.  Also, what is the battery (I think) strapped to the seat
IMG 2739
IMG 2738

The battery under the seat is the AXS dropper, or did you mean the battery that seems to be strapped to the front of the seat tube where a bottle might normally be mounted? Is that part of the flight attendant? Not that I’m aware?

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9/9/2023 10:22am
The battery under the seat is the AXS dropper, or did you mean the battery that seems to be strapped to the front of the seat...

The battery under the seat is the AXS dropper, or did you mean the battery that seems to be strapped to the front of the seat tube where a bottle might normally be mounted? Is that part of the flight attendant? Not that I’m aware?

The piece on the seat tube is the GPS tracker for the race.

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