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Based on your picture, that's the same layout as the current Enduro, right? Should be interesting.
Vivid could be a few years. Remember how long ago they were testing the new Boxxer? It's been in the wild for at least two years, and the Vivid was JUST first seen a few months ago. I would say spring 2024 at the earliest.
Sram MTB has a new product launch on Tuesday, July 11th
Where have you gotten that from?
So rebound adjuster on top means it’s most likely a twin tube, interesting! I can’t wait to see what’s going on inside.
Saw the new vivid on a bike today at trailpark klínovec. The guy was an average joe too, so I'm guessing he must have gotten it from a bike factory or something. Means it should be close to release. Oh and I don't know if it's been said here or no, but it has adjustable HBO just like the coil super deluxe.
The next time July 12th falls on a Tuesday is in 2033...
Uhm, since the Super Deluxe is being ridden on the WC, what more can a new Vivid offer? I mean, the previous Vivid had a pretty big gap performance-wise with the Monarch, but now with the SD???
Adjustable hydraulic bottom out on an air shock.
I think the current SD has this already does it not?
Not adjustable
Ok, so? Does this adjustability justify building another shock altogether? The SD has been proven in dh-teritory, with the Vivid which is exactly a dh-shock, no matter coil or air, what would we call the SD?
Don’t get me wrong, i’m all for new products and tech upgrades, just am wondering what Sram are thinking about.
P.s. i’m riding exactly a Vivid Air and am happy with it, so am all in for the model’s revival.
Clearly I'm not privy to details about the new shock, but given the architecture switcharoo to bring it in line with the coil version (and given that we've see the adjusters), an adjustable HBO is a benefit of the upcoming shock over the current air Super Deluxe. If there are any other changes, benefits or shortcomings (other than likely more difficult servicing since the air can can't be pulled off as easily as in the air Super Deluxe) I have no idea. I can only comment from what we've seen in the pictures shared in this thread...
I kind of doubt the adjustable HBO is the sole reason for a new model though... Maybe a different aircan architecture to tune the spring rate through the travel? More freedom with the spacers? Changes in the damping? Etc.
Most likely it will be similar to FOX: very similar damper architecture between the coil and air version of the shock, allowing to choose more easily between air and coil without basically having to switch to a different shock altogether (you can't get the exact same damper, but it can be very close). Also, the bigger air can might allow for more tunability/better performance. and the adjustable HBO is probably better for racing and for marketing. Just my two cents.
https://bikerumor.com/rimpact-is-developing-a-tuned-mass-damper-for-mou…
Ah Nevermind red knob in photo on reservoir bridge is probably an ending stroke rebound adjuster ala Vivid Air. Just reread some of Steve’s thoughts on Twin Tubes and doubt he’d go down that road.
Vivid was twin tube shock as well?
Like a Shake Weight for your bike!
Yeah It does look like a twin tube in the cutaway pics that have I found but I could not find any flow diagrams to confirm. Rockshox didn’t market it as a TT, but they did market the air spring side as a TT so it’s weird that they didn’t praise the gospel of the TT damper design like Öhlins and Fox and Cane Creek have.
That's what a tuned mass damper essentially is. The bit that I have a bit of a problem with... Tuned mass dampers are intended to cancel out a certain frequency of movement. Therefore tuned dampers and the mass part is there because a mass used to achieve this. The frequency being filtered is defined by the stiffness of the springs and the weight of the spring.
Now... We know how hard it is to design and then optimally adjust the forks and shocks we have on bikes already. How is this damper going to be tuned? Or will it be a one size fits all solution?
Imagine a shock, that feels like a freshly serviced X2 that doesn't blow up fortnightly. I imagine that was the brief to the Rockshox team.
You have to admit, not much feels as good as a freshly bled and sealed X2 when it comes to air shocks.
Big volume for that "coil like" feel, relatively adjustable in the damper, reliable.... would be nice.
That been said, Cane Creek DB Air ticked all those boxes for me.
This has been my experience so far with the 2024 X2. Previous issues are gone.
The purpose of the Vivid Air is to have a SKU/model to compete with the X2 for OEM spec.
The Super Deluxe air is clearly good enough to win a world cup DH but when it comes to brands, they want to spec 'big dawg' shocks on enduro bikes and DH bikes. The X2 looks more formidable and hardcore because of it's size over a Super Deluxe air.
So enter the Vivid Air.
There are obviously other things/benefits. The larger air can will give the shock a more coil-like feel, just like the X2 does vs. the FloatX. The damping architecture like/is the same as the Super Deluxe Coil--which of course has the adjustable HBO.
I would also expect that it may have externally adjustable HSC/LSC, HSR, LSR. Just like the X2 so it seems just as hardcore.
Yeah it was a twin tube damper, but only part of the oil flow was through the base valve in both compression and rebound (kinda like the current X2) Where as the OG twin tube dampers like the CCDB were pumping almost all of the oil/damping through the piggyback valves. The original Ohlins TTX shocks were solid piston too, and I think CC or ohlins held a patent for this design on mountain bikes which limited how it could be used by other brands so the Vivid was the RS way to work around it
Ed Masters's video on WC DH bikes weight is out. It's quite interesting.
Bit of a dredge here but... Code calipers are not anodised, they are painted.
Any more details on the big dh sram brake thats coming? I'm still wondering what the bulges on the red paint splat prototype caliper were all about?
Edit - maybe I'm wrong about the anodising?! I asked an anodiser about having mine re-anodised in a colour and when I sent them photos they said that they looked like they were painted rather than anodised. I've always assumed they were painted, I think one of mine even has a chip in the paint. BUT! I notice the sram website calls the colour 'anodised black'
Hmmm
Has it been mentioned / commented on the bolt pattern & interchangeably of the SL 1.2 MOTOR and the 1.1?
I mean could an older kenevoSL or levoSL get upgraded, If the motor could be purchased via a dealer? Be a worth while £500 (?) upgrade?
thanks in advance
I’m in the process of trying this. It’s unknown if the firmware will work or how to upgrade.
also you will need new cranks and Levo 1.2 motor cover.
Specialized will not sell you a 1.2 motor aftermarket under any circumstances, so unfortunately just dropping one in will never happen unless you buy an entirely new bike or frame that has a 1.2 motor in it. 1.1 motors that are replaced under warranty will also only be replaced with a 1.1 motor.
Shame,
Think it would make a crazy kenevo upgrade.
I’m very tempted by my first ebike, but wouldn’t want less travel then my current 160/150.
But tempted by some kind of lightweight emtb so it’s less foreign / more normal to ride.