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6/21/2023 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2023 3:13pm
sspomer wrote:
eurobike day 1 gallery https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/eurobike-2023-day-1/eurobike-2023-day-one 57 degree HA. no biggie

Real life Grim Donut (I've never been on pinkbike, i swear)

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6/21/2023 3:14pm

I've had the Myotragus page bookmarked for a while (raw aluminum, gearbox, interesting suspension layout - what's not to love?); it's nice to see them get some more attention

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6/21/2023 3:21pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2023 3:21pm

atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.

I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.

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brash wrote:
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish. I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...

atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.

I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.

Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub 60 degrees? Hopefully we start to see light, 160-180 dual crown forks from the big players.

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6/21/2023 9:23pm
TannerVal wrote:

That syringe is from a jagwire pro bleed kit. 10/10 product, makes bleeding maguras not only possible but easy.

Since when has bleeding Maguras not been easy?!
 

 

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brash wrote:
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish. I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...

atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.

I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.

TayRob wrote:
Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub...

Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub 60 degrees? Hopefully we start to see light, 160-180 dual crown forks from the big players.

Dual crowns won't lower the loads on the bushings, thus won't help the binding much. The benefit is the small difference in the crown twisting which otherwise slacks off the effective stanchion angle.

Going really slack the best solution would be either roller bearings (Lefty style...) or a linkage fork.

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6/21/2023 10:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2023 10:41pm
krabo83 wrote:

so they‘re really switching to mineral oil… bet those new bleed kits will cost a premium also.

TannerVal wrote:

That syringe is from a jagwire pro bleed kit. 10/10 product, makes bleeding maguras not only possible but easy.

Primoz wrote:
  https://r2-bike.com/SRAM-Pro-Bleed-Kit-for-Mineral-oil-incl-120-ml-Maxima-Brake-Oil

damn!!!! 90€ for a bleedkit (137€ MSRP!!) Blink

i‘m also not a fan of shimano feeling wise and prefer my code rsc‘s.

interested to see the upcoming reviews on the new sram brakes.

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6/21/2023 11:39pm

https://www.mtb-news.de/news/eurobike-2023-bikeyoke-pirelli-twiceme/

 

new Bike Yoke electric prototype! A true AXS killer! Best non electric dropper going wireless🔥 

Be excited about it, these droppers are gone give a biiiig push for the electric dropper market. 
I got the chance to get my hands on the product and I‘m gona sell my AXS! 

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6/22/2023 12:52am
TannerVal wrote:

That syringe is from a jagwire pro bleed kit. 10/10 product, makes bleeding maguras not only possible but easy.

Primoz wrote:
  https://r2-bike.com/SRAM-Pro-Bleed-Kit-for-Mineral-oil-incl-120-ml-Maxima-Brake-Oil
krabo83 wrote:
damn!!!! 90€ for a bleedkit (137€ MSRP!!)  i‘m also not a fan of shimano feeling wise and prefer my code rsc‘s. interested to see the upcoming...

damn!!!! 90€ for a bleedkit (137€ MSRP!!) Blink

i‘m also not a fan of shimano feeling wise and prefer my code rsc‘s.

interested to see the upcoming reviews on the new sram brakes.

..I have always been a Shimano Fanboy and I liked the feel of the new 4 Pot XTs..currently running the M8120 Levers with Cascade Components Slab Mineral Oil Caliper..really impressed and easy to bleed. Uses the same pads and looks sick..

SLAB Mineral Oil MTB Brake Caliper | US | Cascade Components

Just my 2 cents.

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https://www.mtb-news.de/news/eurobike-2023-bikeyoke-pirelli-twiceme/   new Bike Yoke electric prototype! A true AXS killer! Best non electric dropper going wireless🔥  Be excited about it, these droppers are gone give...

https://www.mtb-news.de/news/eurobike-2023-bikeyoke-pirelli-twiceme/

 

new Bike Yoke electric prototype! A true AXS killer! Best non electric dropper going wireless🔥 

Be excited about it, these droppers are gone give a biiiig push for the electric dropper market. 
I got the chance to get my hands on the product and I‘m gona sell my AXS! 

not having a hot swap battery kinda kills that one for me, even worse that to charge it you have to remove it from the bike.

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6/22/2023 4:43am

not having a hot swap battery kinda kills that one for me, even worse that to charge it you have to remove it from the bike.

They plan to have a battery life of about 3 Month. So thats nothing i would consider as a negative aspect. It‘s so much more worth it to be able to have more travel and be able to put it on pulling-lifts, not chairlifts only! I always need a rigid post for those parks…

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6/22/2023 5:00am
TannerVal wrote:

That syringe is from a jagwire pro bleed kit. 10/10 product, makes bleeding maguras not only possible but easy.

TimBud wrote:

Since when has bleeding Maguras not been easy?!
 

 

Sounds like you’ve only ever had to deal with air in the hose. Once any gets in the caliper good luck using their standard kit to get rideable bleed in less than 10 minutes.

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TannerVal wrote:
Sounds like you’ve only ever had to deal with air in the hose. Once any gets in the caliper good luck using their standard kit to...

Sounds like you’ve only ever had to deal with air in the hose. Once any gets in the caliper good luck using their standard kit to get rideable bleed in less than 10 minutes.

Did a brief stint at Magura UK. Done it all. 

My MT7s have the chrome borecaps from an MT5e, for example.

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not having a hot swap battery kinda kills that one for me, even worse that to charge it you have to remove it from the bike.

I speculate that they might, or at least could offer a pigtail charging cord that runs out the hole that the dropper cable would normally enter the frame at the base of seattube (I know not all frames have this, but a lot do). It'd have to secured and have a water tight cap, but that's not difficult. 

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6/22/2023 7:12am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 7:15am
parnifel wrote:
..I have always been a Shimano Fanboy and I liked the feel of the new 4 Pot XTs..currently running the M8120 Levers with Cascade Components Slab...

..I have always been a Shimano Fanboy and I liked the feel of the new 4 Pot XTs..currently running the M8120 Levers with Cascade Components Slab Mineral Oil Caliper..really impressed and easy to bleed. Uses the same pads and looks sick..

SLAB Mineral Oil MTB Brake Caliper | US | Cascade Components

Just my 2 cents.

lol, 530$ just for calipers… yeah, right!

not an option i would consider.

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6/22/2023 7:52am

not having a hot swap battery kinda kills that one for me, even worse that to charge it you have to remove it from the bike.

Seems they intend to make the USB-C port at the seat clamps, so that eliminates one issue...

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6/22/2023 7:54am
Primoz wrote:
Dual crowns won't lower the loads on the bushings, thus won't help the binding much. The benefit is the small difference in the crown twisting which...

Dual crowns won't lower the loads on the bushings, thus won't help the binding much. The benefit is the small difference in the crown twisting which otherwise slacks off the effective stanchion angle.

Going really slack the best solution would be either roller bearings (Lefty style...) or a linkage fork.

There’s a joke somewhere about never riding flat-ish trails with your super slack bike, but I don’t know how to tell it.

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6/22/2023 8:06am
krabo83 wrote:

lol, 530$ just for calipers… yeah, right!

not an option i would consider.

Adding a significant amount of power is always going to cost money. It’s not the same as buying some cranks just to make your bike look cool. If someone has the desire for more power and they have Shimano or TRP 4 pots or Codes there are two options; replace the entire brake set or replace just the caliper. Coincidentally that’s a similar cost. I think in this scenario we are more looking at cost to solve a problem and not how many parts you get for that cost because, again, it’s not just adding bling. If you like how your brakes feel and don’t really want to change that then calipers will do what you want. Plus you don’t have to reroute a brake line. I get that it isn’t cheap, but cost won’t be going down because we don’t intend to move production overseas. 

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6/22/2023 8:15am
krabo83 wrote:

lol, 530$ just for calipers… yeah, right!

not an option i would consider.

Adding a significant amount of power is always going to cost money. It’s not the same as buying some cranks just to make your bike look...

Adding a significant amount of power is always going to cost money. It’s not the same as buying some cranks just to make your bike look cool. If someone has the desire for more power and they have Shimano or TRP 4 pots or Codes there are two options; replace the entire brake set or replace just the caliper. Coincidentally that’s a similar cost. I think in this scenario we are more looking at cost to solve a problem and not how many parts you get for that cost because, again, it’s not just adding bling. If you like how your brakes feel and don’t really want to change that then calipers will do what you want. Plus you don’t have to reroute a brake line. I get that it isn’t cheap, but cost won’t be going down because we don’t intend to move production overseas. 

Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and be done.

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6/22/2023 8:17am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 8:23am
TannerVal wrote:
Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and...

Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and be done.

Both are more powerful than MT5s and you can still use whatever pads you want. 
 

If you want best bang for your buck brakes got to go Hayes. 

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6/22/2023 8:35am
TannerVal wrote:
Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and...

Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and be done.

Both are more powerful than MT5s and you can still use whatever pads you want.    If you want best bang for your buck brakes got...

Both are more powerful than MT5s and you can still use whatever pads you want. 
 

If you want best bang for your buck brakes got to go Hayes. 

How do you figure Codes/XT's are more powerful than MT5's?  Or do you mean they are if paired with your caliper?

 

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

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TannerVal wrote:
Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and...

Or you can toss the codes/xt 4pots in the trash, buy a pair of mt5s for $200, throw in some galfer green pads for $50 and be done.

Both are more powerful than MT5s and you can still use whatever pads you want.    If you want best bang for your buck brakes got...

Both are more powerful than MT5s and you can still use whatever pads you want. 
 

If you want best bang for your buck brakes got to go Hayes. 

DirtyHal wrote:

How do you figure Codes/XT's are more powerful than MT5's?  Or do you mean they are if paired with your caliper?

 

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

I’m assuming he’s figuring his calipers are more powerful simply based off the fact Magura’s are temperamental, fragile, plastic landfill fodder.

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Meta V5 is out, 160/150 bike

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Huzzah for regular cable routing!

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6/22/2023 9:38am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 9:43am

External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?

Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL

I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long  fork in the specs

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External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm? Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are...

External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?

Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL

I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long  fork in the specs

on my AM29 I had 34.9 dropper

 

and some racers are going down in travel, rys verner won in Leogang on the Druid, Jesse Melamed was riding the Spectral for the first two rounds.

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bikelurker wrote:
External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm? Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are...

External cable routing is a huge win. Seatpost is 31.6 now too, I think previously it was 30.9mm?

Geo charts are Wrong I think, chainstays are 435/436.8 in low/high for the 2 smallest sizes, but 440/448.8 for L and XL

I find it odd that they go down in travel and even the burlyness of the build to some extent compared with the old AM, maybe its a longer travel variant coming and this is more of a replacement for the tr version? This one just in between aligns much better with my interst but racers tend to run more travel aren't they? They dont even seem to allow a longer than 571mm long  fork in the specs

Seatpost is now a 34.9

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Its 34.9 indeed, you are both right

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