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Onawalk
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5/11/2023 10:24am
Primoz wrote:
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative...

There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.

I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.

Thats fair,

I think the Optic as a (lets call it a mid HP, idler bike) has been in the works for a while now, provides a very different experience to the new Fluid, which is essentially an alu version of the current Optic.  I like this idea (recognizing its not for everyone) a hard charging, stable feeling, short travel bike that can be pushed. 

I think theres enough variety in Norcos range of bikes to pull it off

Maybe the Sight stays as is, with some slight geo changes.

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5/11/2023 10:35am
Primoz wrote:
There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative...

There are fewer and fewer really high pivot bikes being made, they are moving more towards mid to low height high pivot layouts, people have negative comments about high pivot bikes (balance changes going through the travel, noise and drag from the system, issues with the chain stretch on the lower chain length), pro riders in some cases moving away from HP bikes to standard bikes, etc.

I kinda get the allure for race bikes, so DH and enduro, but even there there are companies sticking to the tried and tested layout. It seems a VERY weird move to make your bread and butter bikes high pivot. It seems too polarizing.

Neko had a good discussion about it in his earlier vids....  he obviously chose no HP.

Right,

Not sure that means its the right or wrong choice for everyone.

Not really sure that what suits Neko in a race bike, has any bearing at all to others wants in a trail bike.

Rhys Verner seems fairly comfortable on his Druid, to race it competitively.  He might have gone faster on something else, but has at the very least proven hes fast n the new Druid.

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5/11/2023 2:38pm

https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/xc-race-bikes-2023-uci-mountain-bike-cross-country-world-cup#node-video-comment
 

towards the end of the video, the mondrakers of cink and McConnell, and terpstras ghost have axs reverbs, but are allegedly controlled with an axs blip switch. Terpstra says this explicitly and she runs it on the right, the mondraker you see it on the left hand side. 
Officially i believe this doesn’t work, so either there’s a new blip button; or they are using the blip for one shift, and one of the right hand control buttons for the dropper. 

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5/11/2023 2:44pm

Moving the sight to HP is silly IMO. theres a couple of things to tidy up the sight like higher stack, more progressive curve & Threaded BB on the carbons. - I havnt seen any failures so maybe a diet for them aswell?

i personally would also like a mulletable one.  Id buy a new sight with the above changes, even just the stack and curve update.

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5/11/2023 10:36pm
AJW1 wrote:
https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/xc-race-bikes-2023-uci-mountain-bike-cross-country-world-cup#node-video-comment   towards the end of the video, the mondrakers of cink and McConnell, and terpstras ghost have axs reverbs, but are allegedly controlled with an...

https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/xc-race-bikes-2023-uci-mountain-bike-cross-country-world-cup#node-video-comment
 

towards the end of the video, the mondrakers of cink and McConnell, and terpstras ghost have axs reverbs, but are allegedly controlled with an axs blip switch. Terpstra says this explicitly and she runs it on the right, the mondraker you see it on the left hand side. 
Officially i believe this doesn’t work, so either there’s a new blip button; or they are using the blip for one shift, and one of the right hand control buttons for the dropper. 

They are using the blip box with original blip buttons. The new wireless blips don’t work on the reverb. 

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5/12/2023 8:35am

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From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

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5/12/2023 8:52am
From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

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From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula level, it would sell like hot cakes no doubt, that might a bit too much to ask though.

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5/12/2023 9:55am
From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

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From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

Appreciate the pic, rather than a link (for those of us without insta)

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From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

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From Vorsprung's Insta....  bet it won't be cheap.

Jakub_G wrote:
I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula...

I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula level, it would sell like hot cakes no doubt, that might a bit too much to ask though.

Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?

5/12/2023 11:59am
Onawalk wrote:

Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).

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5/12/2023 12:04pm
Onawalk wrote:

Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).

Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same 

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5/12/2023 3:44pm
Onawalk wrote:

Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).

2supple wrote:

Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same 

I forgot the new Push got a hefty price jump, I think the old one was around $1300 or so, which was certainly closer (now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like the Storia is actually somewhat of a bargain now but that's a discussion for elsewhere).

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5/12/2023 4:15pm

Trek Slash is going to be a high pivot this year.

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5/12/2023 5:18pm

Trek Slash is going to be a high pivot this year.

So will the Norco Optic and/or Sight (likely more of a 'mid-pivot').

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5/12/2023 5:43pm
dolface wrote:
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...

This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.

Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?

https://escapecollective.cc/cervelo-turned-a-full-suspension-bike-into-…

Cervelo-ZFS-5-aluminum-yoke-Nove-Mesto-2

 

Rumors says it's made of Chinesium.

 

Same design criteria as the rest of the frame.

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5/12/2023 8:09pm

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Uncle Cliffy
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5/12/2023 9:12pm
peecee wrote:
 

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Check out that 10 year old groupset! 

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5/13/2023 12:34pm Edited Date/Time 5/13/2023 12:39pm
dolface wrote:
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...

This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.

Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?

https://escapecollective.cc/cervelo-turned-a-full-suspension-bike-into-…

Cervelo-ZFS-5-aluminum-yoke-Nove-Mesto-2

 

Why would the UCI ban it?

By that logic they'd have to ban shocks with full lock out?

Do the bikes have to be identical between xcc and xco or can components be changed?

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5/13/2023 12:52pm
peecee wrote:
 

IMG 0617 1.jpg?VersionId=Pz0J2atI6pNBjlHtjRMcI

 

Check out that 10 year old groupset! 

Let me help you rephrase that: "Check out that groupset that has been the benchmark in its category for the last 10 years".

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5/13/2023 1:04pm
peecee wrote:
 

IMG 0617 1.jpg?VersionId=Pz0J2atI6pNBjlHtjRMcI

 

Check out that 10 year old groupset! 

Let me help you rephrase that: "Check out that groupset that has been the benchmark in its category for the last 10 years".

You’re not wrong! It’s just funny how that looks like a spy photo from 2014. They could at least change the font…?

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5/13/2023 3:06pm

But why? I love that it just remains the same. There's really enough new stuff being released for the sake of newness

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5/13/2023 3:11pm
dolface wrote:
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...

This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.

Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?

https://escapecollective.cc/cervelo-turned-a-full-suspension-bike-into-…

Cervelo-ZFS-5-aluminum-yoke-Nove-Mesto-2

 

Why would the UCI ban it? By that logic they'd have to ban shocks with full lock out? Do the bikes have to be identical between...

Why would the UCI ban it?

By that logic they'd have to ban shocks with full lock out?

Do the bikes have to be identical between xcc and xco or can components be changed?

The rules say you have to use the same bike but afaik they don't define at which point it becomes a different bike. (For EDR the fork, rims and front and rear triangle of the bike get stickered and you take a 5-minute penalty if you swap them out).

I'm all for pushing the rules like this, just don't know how the UCI is gonna react (and if it's even the UCI or ESO who makes the call in this case).

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5/13/2023 7:51pm

I wonder how much those flex stays can actually help with chassis stability..?

5/14/2023 9:23am

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 Top bike is definitely a new Giant of some sort, seat tube shape is very different to anything they make at the moment, and the top tube looks almost flat. 
 

New Trance X 29 perhaps?

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5/14/2023 1:27pm
Onawalk wrote:

Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).

2supple wrote:

Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same 

in italy is 1100 for ext and 1900 for the latest S 11.6, that's nuts

5/14/2023 9:46pm
peecee wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/mondraker-summum-dh-bike-packs-mind-suspension-telemetry-system/

Talking about telemetry, motion instruments has a new enclosure, maybe packing more electrics?

also a good look at the clamps in the new Boxxer. I wonder if the material is removed for weight or flex character, or both?

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5/14/2023 11:21pm
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...

I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).

2supple wrote:

Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same 

Evil96 wrote:

in italy is 1100 for ext and 1900 for the latest S 11.6, that's nuts

Keep in mind most US prices are with no VAT while 99% of the prices displayed in Europe as VAT included.

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5/15/2023 1:57am
 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird...

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 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird.
Looks like its a Lugged carbon prototype. - does anyone have any Info on this and who is making these frames? Spesh and pivot both have these now... is athertons making them some lugs?
i believe This was BK doing some Private solo testing in QT before the journey to Rotorua.

 

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