I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula...
I would expect way cheaper than push, more in line with ext and fast. If they managed to get the price down to bos/novyparts or formula level, it would sell like hot cakes no doubt, that might a bit too much to ask though.
Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?
Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).
Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).
Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same
I forgot the new Push got a hefty price jump, I think the old one was around $1300 or so, which was certainly closer (now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like the Storia is actually somewhat of a bargain now but that's a discussion for elsewhere).
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
Why would the UCI ban it?
By that logic they'd have to ban shocks with full lock out?
Do the bikes have to be identical between...
Why would the UCI ban it?
By that logic they'd have to ban shocks with full lock out?
Do the bikes have to be identical between xcc and xco or can components be changed?
The rules say you have to use the same bike but afaik they don't define at which point it becomes a different bike. (For EDR the fork, rims and front and rear triangle of the bike get stickered and you take a 5-minute penalty if you swap them out).
I'm all for pushing the rules like this, just don't know how the UCI is gonna react (and if it's even the UCI or ESO who makes the call in this case).
Top bike is definitely a new Giant of some sort, seat tube shape is very different to anything they make at the moment, and the top tube looks almost flat.
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at...
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).
New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird...
New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird.
Looks like its a Lugged carbon prototype. - does anyone have any Info on this and who is making these frames? Spesh and pivot both have these now... is athertons making them some lugs?
i believe This was BK doing some Private solo testing in QT before the journey to Rotorua.
So in the short track race of last weekend's XC World Cup in Nove Mesto, one of the Jumbo Visma guys was running his new Cervelo full-suspension bike with an interesting modification. The bike is a linkage-driven single pivot layout with flex-stays (as most XC bikes tend to be these days), but instead of the regular shock linkage and rear shock, the bike was equipped with a solid aluminium strut that replaced the shock and shock linkage - effectively turning the bike into a hardtail.
The background to this might be that in 20-minute XCC short track events, the racers tend to be on the gas the for the entire time and for this a hardtail might be the preferrable choice over a full-suspension bike because of the optimal power transfer. The problem is that the regulations don't allow the riders to swap bikes for different races in the same event, so they can't have the hardtail for XCC and then switch to the full-suspension for the full XCO race.
As a work-around to this rule, this solutions seems pretty convincing. You could potentially save 300-400g by replacing the linkage and shock (which would be mostly locked out anyways) with a strut made from carbon fiber or aluminium. Any yet, because most of these bikes have seat stays that are designed to flex, you'd probably still get a little bit of compliance out of the rear end, potentially making it a more comfortable ride than an actual hardtail.
The stiffy (anyone remember that classic apirl fools). Yeah, I could see it becoming more common but probably not universal. A hardtail isn't better for every short track course. I'm not certain, but I believe that rule was put in place to make it easier for smaller teams and privateers logistically. If they ban it, then people will just make rigid units that look like a shock. A mock shock if you like.
Edit: for all we know, many teams might already be using a mock shock. Maybe mock bearings too.
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link...
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
thats an interesting approach. kinda surprised nobody has tried it before. although the same bike rule for xcc / xco is only a couple years old...
thats an interesting approach. kinda surprised nobody has tried it before. although the same bike rule for xcc / xco is only a couple years old, no?
When I raced Collegiate cycling in the mid-2000s, you could qualify for Nationals for any discipline in mountain biking (DH, Slalom, Short Track, XC) by having enough points regardless of which type of race they came from. So you could conceivably score all your points from your conference races and a conference championship in XC, qualify for nationals, then decide you want to race DH at Nationals. We had a fairly stacked conference, with several Varsity (scholarship schools) so people that really wanted to make it to Nationals in DH would often race all 4 disciplines to try and maximize their points haul (I did this). There was a guy on another school's team that was primarily a DH and Slalom racer, he picked up a FS XC bike to race short track and XC. For the Short Track races he would remove the rear shock and made an aluminum block that replaced it. He even made the eye to eye measurements of the block slightly longer to change the geometry to better suit the short track courses.
They didn't have a rule about using the same bike for Short track and XC, so some serious racers from the Varsity teams who also raced Cross for their schools, would bring their Cross bikes and race the short track then use their legit XC bikes for the XC races. They would catch a lot of flak from other racers and spectators and get heckled pretty hard while racing.
Appreciate the pic, rather than a link (for those of us without insta)
Out of curiosity, why do you think it'll be way cheaper than Push?
I'd assume Push pricing is much higher relative to EXT in Slovakia than in the US. Here they are roughly the same price (for shocks at least; we'll have to wait and see on the Push fork).
Lok v3 is $999 and the Push is $1599 - I wouldn't call that the same
I forgot the new Push got a hefty price jump, I think the old one was around $1300 or so, which was certainly closer (now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like the Storia is actually somewhat of a bargain now but that's a discussion for elsewhere).
Trek Slash is going to be a high pivot this year.
This is wild, Milan Vader replaced the shock and link w/ a rigid strut for XCC today and will (presumably) switch it out for a shock/link set-up for XCO.
Bets on whether the UCI shuts this down or lets it stay?
https://escapecollective.cc/cervelo-turned-a-full-suspension-bike-into-…
So will the Norco Optic and/or Sight (likely more of a 'mid-pivot').
Rumors says it's made of Chinesium.
Same design criteria as the rest of the frame.
Check out that 10 year old groupset!
Why would the UCI ban it?
By that logic they'd have to ban shocks with full lock out?
Do the bikes have to be identical between xcc and xco or can components be changed?
Let me help you rephrase that: "Check out that groupset that has been the benchmark in its category for the last 10 years".
You’re not wrong! It’s just funny how that looks like a spy photo from 2014. They could at least change the font…?
But why? I love that it just remains the same. There's really enough new stuff being released for the sake of newness
The rules say you have to use the same bike but afaik they don't define at which point it becomes a different bike. (For EDR the fork, rims and front and rear triangle of the bike get stickered and you take a 5-minute penalty if you swap them out).
I'm all for pushing the rules like this, just don't know how the UCI is gonna react (and if it's even the UCI or ESO who makes the call in this case).
I wonder how much those flex stays can actually help with chassis stability..?
Top bike is definitely a new Giant of some sort, seat tube shape is very different to anything they make at the moment, and the top tube looks almost flat.
New Trance X 29 perhaps?
in italy is 1100 for ext and 1900 for the latest S 11.6, that's nuts
https://bikerumor.com/mondraker-summum-dh-bike-packs-mind-suspension-te…
Talking about telemetry, motion instruments has a new enclosure, maybe packing more electrics?
also a good look at the clamps in the new Boxxer. I wonder if the material is removed for weight or flex character, or both?
Keep in mind most US prices are with no VAT while 99% of the prices displayed in Europe as VAT included.
https://escapecollective.cc/cervelo-turned-a-full-suspension-bike-into-a-no-suspension-bike/
So in the short track race of last weekend's XC World Cup in Nove Mesto, one of the Jumbo Visma guys was running his new Cervelo full-suspension bike with an interesting modification. The bike is a linkage-driven single pivot layout with flex-stays (as most XC bikes tend to be these days), but instead of the regular shock linkage and rear shock, the bike was equipped with a solid aluminium strut that replaced the shock and shock linkage - effectively turning the bike into a hardtail.
The background to this might be that in 20-minute XCC short track events, the racers tend to be on the gas the for the entire time and for this a hardtail might be the preferrable choice over a full-suspension bike because of the optimal power transfer. The problem is that the regulations don't allow the riders to swap bikes for different races in the same event, so they can't have the hardtail for XCC and then switch to the full-suspension for the full XCO race.
As a work-around to this rule, this solutions seems pretty convincing. You could potentially save 300-400g by replacing the linkage and shock (which would be mostly locked out anyways) with a strut made from carbon fiber or aluminium. Any yet, because most of these bikes have seat stays that are designed to flex, you'd probably still get a little bit of compliance out of the rear end, potentially making it a more comfortable ride than an actual hardtail.
You guys think this might become a regular thing?
The stiffy (anyone remember that classic apirl fools). Yeah, I could see it becoming more common but probably not universal. A hardtail isn't better for every short track course. I'm not certain, but I believe that rule was put in place to make it easier for smaller teams and privateers logistically. If they ban it, then people will just make rigid units that look like a shock. A mock shock if you like.
Edit: for all we know, many teams might already be using a mock shock. Maybe mock bearings too.
thats an interesting approach. kinda surprised nobody has tried it before. although the same bike rule for xcc / xco is only a couple years old, no?
I suspect doing this as a customer instead of a sponsored rider would probably void your warranty?
Speaking of that, I wonder how RockShox feel about it (and if they had any say in the matter...)
When I raced Collegiate cycling in the mid-2000s, you could qualify for Nationals for any discipline in mountain biking (DH, Slalom, Short Track, XC) by having enough points regardless of which type of race they came from. So you could conceivably score all your points from your conference races and a conference championship in XC, qualify for nationals, then decide you want to race DH at Nationals. We had a fairly stacked conference, with several Varsity (scholarship schools) so people that really wanted to make it to Nationals in DH would often race all 4 disciplines to try and maximize their points haul (I did this). There was a guy on another school's team that was primarily a DH and Slalom racer, he picked up a FS XC bike to race short track and XC. For the Short Track races he would remove the rear shock and made an aluminum block that replaced it. He even made the eye to eye measurements of the block slightly longer to change the geometry to better suit the short track courses.
They didn't have a rule about using the same bike for Short track and XC, so some serious racers from the Varsity teams who also raced Cross for their schools, would bring their Cross bikes and race the short track then use their legit XC bikes for the XC races. They would catch a lot of flak from other racers and spectators and get heckled pretty hard while racing.