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Primoz 2/27/2023 1:04pm
2/27/2023 1:04pm
C-LION wrote:

Hi all, any news on the upcoming product launch from SRAM/RockShox? March was rumored, right? Waiting for the new BoXXer to be released…

pinkrobe wrote:

I hear March 23, and I think product is on its way to distributors in North America already...

chriskief wrote:

It must be getting close, a lot of current product has disappeared from the SRAM website.

Examples?

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chriskief 2/27/2023 1:08pm
2/27/2023 1:08pm
pinkrobe wrote:

I hear March 23, and I think product is on its way to distributors in North America already...

chriskief wrote:

It must be getting close, a lot of current product has disappeared from the SRAM website.

Primoz wrote:

Examples?

X01 DH and GX DH gone from the menu for example.

Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 4.06.23 PM

 

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Noeserd 2/27/2023 1:10pm
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SnusDog wrote:
Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e...

Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e. invert the Diverge layout where seatstay is instead flexstay and provides rear wheel travel instead of seat travel?) 

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Like this bike ?

 

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chriskief 2/27/2023 1:13pm
2/27/2023 1:13pm
chriskief wrote:

It must be getting close, a lot of current product has disappeared from the SRAM website.

Primoz wrote:

Examples?

chriskief wrote:
X01 DH and GX DH gone from the menu for example.  

X01 DH and GX DH gone from the menu for example.

Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 4.06.23 PM

 

Here's the menu from back in Jan... anything non-Eagle has disappeared.

Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 4.11.57 PM.png?VersionId=TNjO3TfEcxCSeZewGz

 

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jsray 2/27/2023 2:01pm
2/27/2023 2:01pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
   New Specialized Enduro?

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 New Specialized Enduro?

Trocko wrote:
 Looks like just paint job

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 Looks like just paint job

that seat tube looks a bit lower?

I imagine the enduro is just going to get the ol 'tune up treatment. Probably adjustable headset cups, lil steeper and lil shorter seat tube / deeper insertion. suspension tweaks. wish they'd ditch the trunnion.

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RobMil 2/27/2023 2:10pm
2/27/2023 2:10pm
C-LION wrote:

Hi all, any news on the upcoming product launch from SRAM/RockShox? March was rumored, right? Waiting for the new BoXXer to be released…

pinkrobe wrote:

I hear March 23, and I think product is on its way to distributors in North America already...

chriskief wrote:

It must be getting close, a lot of current product has disappeared from the SRAM website.

E37A2320-0240-4224-815E-AFC644AD8484

 Taken from Trek latest post! New decals or exclusive ones to Trek? 

RiderMikeCheck1 2/27/2023 2:49pm
2/27/2023 2:49pm
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 Taken from Trek latest post! New decals or exclusive ones to Trek? 

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 Taken from Trek latest post! New decals or exclusive ones to Trek? 

Thats the new Blackbox sticker on all the new suspension stuff they haven't released yet (Boxxer, Vivid Air, new SID) 

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TheShortestCharles 2/27/2023 2:54pm
2/27/2023 2:54pm

Higher-res screenshot of the BoXXer from RS's post for the pixel peepersScreenshot 20230227 144830 Instagram.jpg?VersionId=WS7THmPnsLE

 

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longroadtonowhere 2/27/2023 3:56pm
2/27/2023 3:56pm

Has anyone heard anything about them doing a longer axs dropper when all the new stuff drops?  I’d love to buy one and just swap it between my two bikes, but the lack of a 200mm option, i just can’t do it yet.  

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2/27/2023 5:25pm
Primoz wrote:

March 23 for everything or for the Boxxer only?

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

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FuckingSteve 2/27/2023 5:31pm
2/27/2023 5:31pm
Primoz wrote:

March 23 for everything or for the Boxxer only?

Buzz_Killington_and_associates wrote:

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

Where’s that info coming from?

2/27/2023 5:57pm
Primoz wrote:

March 23 for everything or for the Boxxer only?

Buzz_Killington_and_associates wrote:

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

FuckingSteve wrote:

Where’s that info coming from?

My girlfriend's sister's uncle's brother's dentist's cousin's lawyer's nanny told me aboot it

It'll be a few more months till we see Boxxer and SID

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Sesame Seed 2/27/2023 7:59pm
2/27/2023 7:59pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2023 8:00pm
SnusDog wrote:
Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e...

Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e. invert the Diverge layout where seatstay is instead flexstay and provides rear wheel travel instead of seat travel?) 

image-20230227125152-1

Sorry but - no.  There's no similarity in the type of damping.  A wheel is unsprung and dynamic where a Rider in this unique situation is having natural riding oscillations being damped.  It's complimenting an existing riding position as opposed to absorbing terrain.  Suspend The Rider.  

Personally, I've been able to ride an STR and the sensation is that of having massive rearward axle path. In rapid and repeatable mannerisms, the rider / bike system are propelled forward upon harsh impacts.    

As a wheel suspension adaptation, there'd no longer be preloading of the bike and lateral loading of seat stays would bind the damper.  The STR has a seat mast which continues to function as, reamains identified as, and is tasked as a simple seat post. 

A rear wheel quickly finds itself overwhelmed, requiring articulating suspension and a skilled rider whose then seeking to be whelmed.  

 

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Sonofbovril2 2/27/2023 10:14pm
2/27/2023 10:14pm
Sesame Seed wrote:
Sorry but - no.  There's no similarity in the type of damping.  A wheel is unsprung and dynamic where a Rider in this unique situation is...

Sorry but - no.  There's no similarity in the type of damping.  A wheel is unsprung and dynamic where a Rider in this unique situation is having natural riding oscillations being damped.  It's complimenting an existing riding position as opposed to absorbing terrain.  Suspend The Rider.  

Personally, I've been able to ride an STR and the sensation is that of having massive rearward axle path. In rapid and repeatable mannerisms, the rider / bike system are propelled forward upon harsh impacts.    

As a wheel suspension adaptation, there'd no longer be preloading of the bike and lateral loading of seat stays would bind the damper.  The STR has a seat mast which continues to function as, reamains identified as, and is tasked as a simple seat post. 

A rear wheel quickly finds itself overwhelmed, requiring articulating suspension and a skilled rider whose then seeking to be whelmed.  

 

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Agreed, it’s basically a giant unified rear triangle like TREK and GT and many others did in the past and we all know how well that worked…

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SnusDog 2/27/2023 10:21pm
2/27/2023 10:21pm
SnusDog wrote:
Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e...

Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e. invert the Diverge layout where seatstay is instead flexstay and provides rear wheel travel instead of seat travel?) 

image-20230227125152-1

Sesame Seed wrote:
Sorry but - no.  There's no similarity in the type of damping.  A wheel is unsprung and dynamic where a Rider in this unique situation is...

Sorry but - no.  There's no similarity in the type of damping.  A wheel is unsprung and dynamic where a Rider in this unique situation is having natural riding oscillations being damped.  It's complimenting an existing riding position as opposed to absorbing terrain.  Suspend The Rider.  

Personally, I've been able to ride an STR and the sensation is that of having massive rearward axle path. In rapid and repeatable mannerisms, the rider / bike system are propelled forward upon harsh impacts.    

As a wheel suspension adaptation, there'd no longer be preloading of the bike and lateral loading of seat stays would bind the damper.  The STR has a seat mast which continues to function as, reamains identified as, and is tasked as a simple seat post. 

A rear wheel quickly finds itself overwhelmed, requiring articulating suspension and a skilled rider whose then seeking to be whelmed.  

 

.  

Ok. I did say wild speculation. 

Christiaan_van der Laan 2/27/2023 11:08pm
2/27/2023 11:08pm

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push getting ready to release a new version of the 11-6? Just when I got my current one for the MT2😔

 

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twisted nipple 2/27/2023 11:43pm
2/27/2023 11:43pm
Buzz_Killington_and_associates wrote:

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

XX/XO is March.

GX is June.

unsure on suspension releases.

Source: the back of a weet-bix packet.

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laurikuris 2/28/2023 1:10am
2/28/2023 1:10am
Buzz_Killington_and_associates wrote:

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

twisted nipple wrote:

XX/XO is March.

GX is June.

unsure on suspension releases.

Source: the back of a weet-bix packet.

So XX/XO at Cape Epic?

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Sonofbovril2 2/28/2023 1:28am
2/28/2023 1:28am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2023 1:30am
SnusDog wrote:

Ok. I did say wild speculation. 

Well, just because it’s not a good idea doesn’t mean some big company might still not implement it 😂

it works for gravel because the suspension travel is very short compared to Mtb and because it only really works when sitting down on the saddle and pedaling. It’s technically more of a vibration isolation than a suspension in a way…

I guess it might be viable for a XC marathon racing hybrid hardtail kinda thing but beyond that, for anything more long travel, when you stand up you actually resist the movement of the suspension, especially for small bump sensitivity, which is rather counter productive.

I thought I saw a bottom bracket pivot in that specialized pic though, could be mistaken

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New clip in pedal from Crankbrothers

baronKanon 2/28/2023 8:30am
2/28/2023 8:30am

Soooo a candy+?

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Primoz 2/28/2023 9:19am
2/28/2023 9:19am
Buzz_Killington_and_associates wrote:

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

twisted nipple wrote:

XX/XO is March.

GX is June.

unsure on suspension releases.

Source: the back of a weet-bix packet.

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

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jerrywillows 2/28/2023 10:57am
2/28/2023 10:57am
sspomer wrote:
push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elevensix-mountain-bike-shock mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for...

push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elev…

mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for $160. shock price is $1600.

R (left) vs S (right) visual comparison

elevensixRvselevensixS

 

price is insane....  better to pickup a used one and have it modded for $160.  Or just buy the new RS and save yourself 1k.

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RiderMikeCheck1 2/28/2023 11:53am
2/28/2023 11:53am
Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

XX/X0 almost certainly only wireless 
GX will likely have a cable actuated option

Price tiers: 
XX
X0
GX (AXS)
GX (Cable) 

 

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Primoz 2/28/2023 1:24pm
2/28/2023 1:24pm
Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:

XX/X0 almost certainly only wireless 
GX will likely have a cable actuated option

Price tiers: 
XX
X0
GX (AXS)
GX (Cable) 

 

This coupled with the suggested timeline sure sounds like I'll be riding a shimano drivetrain after 15 years... 

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