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9/6/2022 3:02am
C-LION wrote:
New YT e-bike coming? Screenshot from Markus Insta story. Rumors that two new e-bikes will be released next week. One could be from Specialized and the...
New YT e-bike coming?

Screenshot from Markus Insta story.

Rumors that two new e-bikes will be released next week. One could be from Specialized and the other one from YT…

Any thoughts on this?


I think it's the new battery for Decoy. 630w or something similar.
9/6/2022 3:08am
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching fairly soon😂

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9/6/2022 3:14am
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching...
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching fairly soon😂

Looking at the riders mentioned in the description of that video here are my predictions:

Isla Short - XCO wheels
Chloe Taylor, Katy Curd, Fergus Ryan - Enduro seen in video
Daryl Brown - Freeride? he was at Darkfest earlier in the year and Hardline this week???
9/6/2022 3:17am
C-LION wrote:
New YT e-bike coming? Screenshot from Markus Insta story. Rumors that two new e-bikes will be released next week. One could be from Specialized and the...
New YT e-bike coming?

Screenshot from Markus Insta story.

Rumors that two new e-bikes will be released next week. One could be from Specialized and the other one from YT…

Any thoughts on this?


trexyz wrote:
I think it's the new battery for Decoy. 630w or something similar.
It would be nice to see something new. The current decoy is looking outdated compared to those new Haibikes, and Treks
9/6/2022 4:00am
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching...
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching fairly soon😂

Yeah they have been teasing them a lot lately.

Fairplay to Katie, that road gap she hits is huge and sketchy as fuck, video doesn't show it. Was up in the FoD a few months ago and that gap had been built next to an existing track, I looked and thought fuck that.
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9/6/2022 4:29am
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching...
LOL when the person in charge of your YouTube has just one job :D "(don't set as visible)" 😂 Guess those Hunt Proven wheels are launching fairly soon😂

Yeah they have been teasing them a lot lately. Fairplay to Katie, that road gap she hits is huge and sketchy as fuck, video doesn't show...
Yeah they have been teasing them a lot lately.

Fairplay to Katie, that road gap she hits is huge and sketchy as fuck, video doesn't show it. Was up in the FoD a few months ago and that gap had been built next to an existing track, I looked and thought fuck that.
I'm not exactly shocked that a 4X world champion is good at jumps Wink
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9/6/2022 4:43am
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Guys, wil they update the Bronson like they have done with the Nomad thsi year (glove box and few cm diff) ? asking for a friend...
Guys, wil they update the Bronson like they have done with the Nomad thsi year (glove box and few cm diff) ?
asking for a friend ... :-)
PJ205 wrote:
There are some pics floating around... Bronson "V4.1" has a glovebox and looks like a sag window like the new Hiightower V3 as well. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/12958/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_08_31_at_2.38.09_PM.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/12957/s1200_300700425_10104858542623682_7988605856188908450_n.jpg[/img]
There are some pics floating around... Bronson "V4.1" has a glovebox and looks like a sag window like the new Hiightower V3 as well.










LAWLESS23 wrote:
I am in the market for a new Bronson. I am having a very hard time finding a C S build in XL. After making several...
I am in the market for a new Bronson. I am having a very hard time finding a C S build in XL. After making several calls I was told the mew Bronson will be shipping mid-November and will likely have gloss black and salmon (pink?) colors. Have you heard the same? I’d love to see the pictures that you reference (I searched with no luck).

If I can’t find one then I guess I’ll be ordering the newest version. I’m not wild about either colors though.
In Europe, it seems that the new colours will not be available before a long time … in France they are only receiving the one from this year and it is really hard to find some right now.
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9/6/2022 4:52am
PJ205 wrote:
There are some pics floating around... Bronson "V4.1" has a glovebox and looks like a sag window like the new Hiightower V3 as well. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/12958/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_08_31_at_2.38.09_PM.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/08/31/12957/s1200_300700425_10104858542623682_7988605856188908450_n.jpg[/img]
There are some pics floating around... Bronson "V4.1" has a glovebox and looks like a sag window like the new Hiightower V3 as well.










LAWLESS23 wrote:
I am in the market for a new Bronson. I am having a very hard time finding a C S build in XL. After making several...
I am in the market for a new Bronson. I am having a very hard time finding a C S build in XL. After making several calls I was told the mew Bronson will be shipping mid-November and will likely have gloss black and salmon (pink?) colors. Have you heard the same? I’d love to see the pictures that you reference (I searched with no luck).

If I can’t find one then I guess I’ll be ordering the newest version. I’m not wild about either colors though.
Tarhic wrote:
In Europe, it seems that the new colours will not be available before a long time … in France they are only receiving the one from...
In Europe, it seems that the new colours will not be available before a long time … in France they are only receiving the one from this year and it is really hard to find some right now.
Thanks. I guess the scenario is different here in the USA.
9/6/2022 5:02am
toodles wrote:
https://www.vojomag.com/prototype-commencal-bientot-de-retour-en-xc/ [img]https://www.vojomag.com/app/uploads/2022/08/worlds-2022-les-gets-paddocks-xc-2-vojo-leo-kervran-9-1.jpg[/img] Commencal playing around with XC/DownCountry
I do love this, but how much is it going to weigh? Will it be competitive against ultralight carbon bikes?
I'm going to go out on a limb and wildly speculate that Pauline Ferrand Prevot will be riding for them next year and this bike is...
I'm going to go out on a limb and wildly speculate that Pauline Ferrand Prevot will be riding for them next year and this bike is being developed for her and the team.
Definitely l can see this! Really cool team up especially with Cecile being her technical coach. PFP is already showing the fruits of her labor with Cecile as her coach. Someone mentioned this earlier that light alloy is possible but it has reliability issues. I remember back in the earlier 90s all those super light hardtails and Amp style bikes. They looked cool and were light but were soda can thin.
Do you think they can hit a weight target using a vpp and alloy? What is an acceptable weight for a world-class athletes bike? What does her BMC weight now?
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9/6/2022 5:08am
Definitely l can see this! Really cool team up especially with Cecile being her technical coach. PFP is already showing the fruits of her labor with...
Definitely l can see this! Really cool team up especially with Cecile being her technical coach. PFP is already showing the fruits of her labor with Cecile as her coach. Someone mentioned this earlier that light alloy is possible but it has reliability issues. I remember back in the earlier 90s all those super light hardtails and Amp style bikes. They looked cool and were light but were soda can thin.
Do you think they can hit a weight target using a vpp and alloy? What is an acceptable weight for a world-class athletes bike? What does her BMC weight now?
Cecile Ravanel is also a tech coach for other women, like Vali Höll, for instance. And her background has been XCO. It may just be a bike for Cecile, or maaaaaaybe just for the Downcountry market. Enduro rider's XC-bike?
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9/6/2022 5:12am
I do love this, but how much is it going to weigh? Will it be competitive against ultralight carbon bikes?
I'm going to go out on a limb and wildly speculate that Pauline Ferrand Prevot will be riding for them next year and this bike is...
I'm going to go out on a limb and wildly speculate that Pauline Ferrand Prevot will be riding for them next year and this bike is being developed for her and the team.
Definitely l can see this! Really cool team up especially with Cecile being her technical coach. PFP is already showing the fruits of her labor with...
Definitely l can see this! Really cool team up especially with Cecile being her technical coach. PFP is already showing the fruits of her labor with Cecile as her coach. Someone mentioned this earlier that light alloy is possible but it has reliability issues. I remember back in the earlier 90s all those super light hardtails and Amp style bikes. They looked cool and were light but were soda can thin.
Do you think they can hit a weight target using a vpp and alloy? What is an acceptable weight for a world-class athletes bike? What does her BMC weight now?
Agreed, VPP is typically going to be a heavier design with more links etc. and to pull it off in Alu will be impressive.

I must say that Cecile is definitely doing something right with 2 of her athletes (both Vali and PFP) taking rainbow jerseys in their first year with her as coach.
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9/6/2022 5:54am
Loana's tech skills have vastly improved as well. Shes sending that shit like a boss! Her descending posture looks likes Neffs with her low flat back. Impressive stuff.
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9/6/2022 6:32am
Loana's tech skills have vastly improved as well. Shes sending that shit like a boss! Her descending posture looks likes Neffs with her low flat back...
Loana's tech skills have vastly improved as well. Shes sending that shit like a boss! Her descending posture looks likes Neffs with her low flat back. Impressive stuff.
And a fairly recent improvement I think? I noticed it immediately in the first Vald di Sole descent (and don't remember her descending standing out in previous races).
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9/6/2022 10:09am
Loana's tech skills have vastly improved as well. Shes sending that shit like a boss! Her descending posture looks likes Neffs with her low flat back...
Loana's tech skills have vastly improved as well. Shes sending that shit like a boss! Her descending posture looks likes Neffs with her low flat back. Impressive stuff.
dolface wrote:
And a fairly recent improvement I think? I noticed it immediately in the first Vald di Sole descent (and don't remember her descending standing out in...
And a fairly recent improvement I think? I noticed it immediately in the first Vald di Sole descent (and don't remember her descending standing out in previous races).
Is this tech rumours or "which XC woman do you simp"?
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9/6/2022 3:39pm
Tech Hi tech lovers tech. Anyone tech want to tech talk about tech?
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9/6/2022 5:39pm
Big Bird wrote:
Tech Hi tech lovers tech. Anyone tech want to tech talk about tech?
Can we talk about Emily Batty just until tomorrow?

And then speculate that the new Sram cassette is lighter than any other, even 11 speed?

Please?
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9/7/2022 12:11am
New SC 5010 out ! Dang yet another of those ultra rare do it all, 130mm, 65HA bike ... lol
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9/7/2022 1:13am
knax wrote:
Bikeradar is talking about the Atherton DH bike in their Malvern Classic coverage, but somehow a picture of what looks like a new Atherton trail bike...
Bikeradar is talking about the Atherton DH bike in their Malvern Classic coverage, but somehow a picture of what looks like a new Atherton trail bike made it's way into the slideshow:




https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2022-malverns-classic-tech-gallery/?imag…
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it.

Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays, 22 sizes in total. 65.5 degree head angle.
Steeper seat angle than the AM150. Should be a ripper. Launches very soon.
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9/7/2022 2:23am
knax wrote:
Bikeradar is talking about the Atherton DH bike in their Malvern Classic coverage, but somehow a picture of what looks like a new Atherton trail bike...
Bikeradar is talking about the Atherton DH bike in their Malvern Classic coverage, but somehow a picture of what looks like a new Atherton trail bike made it's way into the slideshow:




https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2022-malverns-classic-tech-gallery/?imag…
Richt2000 wrote:
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it. Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays...
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it.

Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays, 22 sizes in total. 65.5 degree head angle.
Steeper seat angle than the AM150. Should be a ripper. Launches very soon.
And hopefully they will eventually also release the 170mm with slack geo. Surprisingly they were pretty keen to acknowledge its existence in the PB comments of the AM150 review. Eventually we will have a few of those on the market some choice will be wecomed.
9/7/2022 4:12am
Big Bird wrote:
Tech Hi tech lovers tech. Anyone tech want to tech talk about tech?
^^^
This thread used to be exciting to check every week but now it’s annoying to pick through the constant derailments
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9/7/2022 5:05am
^^^
This thread used to be exciting to check every week but now it’s annoying to pick through the constant derailments
Derailments about derailleurs derailing chains off of clapped out drivetrains...

In REAL news, one of the big 3 is having some announcement tomorrow about some two wheeled machines.
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9/7/2022 6:02am
Richt2000 wrote:
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it. Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays...
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it.

Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays, 22 sizes in total. 65.5 degree head angle.
Steeper seat angle than the AM150. Should be a ripper. Launches very soon.
This could be my next bike! Any idea what "very soon" means? Weeks or months?
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9/7/2022 6:07am
^^^
This thread used to be exciting to check every week but now it’s annoying to pick through the constant derailments
Derailments about derailleurs derailing chains off of clapped out drivetrains... In REAL news, one of the big 3 is having some announcement tomorrow about some two...
Derailments about derailleurs derailing chains off of clapped out drivetrains...

In REAL news, one of the big 3 is having some announcement tomorrow about some two wheeled machines.
Talk about adding fuel to the fire
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9/7/2022 6:17am
metadave wrote:
Talk about adding fuel to the fire
Sorry, thats out of my domaine too.
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9/7/2022 6:34am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2022 6:38am
Richt2000 wrote:
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it. Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays...
Yea they had them on the stand and were happy to chat about it.

Its a 140/150mm front, 130mm rear travel bike. 2 sizes of chainstays, 22 sizes in total. 65.5 degree head angle.
Steeper seat angle than the AM150. Should be a ripper. Launches very soon.
dolface wrote:
This could be my next bike! Any idea what "very soon" means? Weeks or months?
Weeks. Drop them a message from their website. They are taking pre-orders already and are likely to share more details with you. I rode one round the field for 10 minutes, ie a parking lot test. Pedalled uphill well. Was hard to get a feeling of the handling from it but I want one based on my experience.

Just don’t have £4K+ right now :-(
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9/7/2022 9:56am
Isn't the whole point of the additive design process that one can order a frame with whatever geometry one wants? Or is custom geometry a costly upgrade?
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9/7/2022 10:17am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2022 10:23am
Even with a properly prepared 3D model/assembly where you only have to input a few geometry related numbers to change all the dependant models and have all of them rebuild in 3D with no features failing to regenerate, you still have to then export these models and/or drawings - models for 3D printing, drawings to cut the tubes to length I'd guess.

After you have the models exported (done by the design engineer/drafter/whatever you call the CAD guy/girl), they need to be prepared to be 3D printed by positioning them in the slicer, sliced, a printing file needs to be generated and the models printed. With untested models there can be a few issues that you likely need to modify by hand after the fact.

So it's not an easy process. Companies charging ~200 € for custom geometry on welded aluminium frames hardly get their money's worth, the cost is likely offset by a bunch of standard frames.

As for what Athertons do, I've already commented that it's hard to imagine their process gives any meaningful profits considering all the steps and manual work it requires on standard bikes, let alone the custom geometry bikes.

EDIT: all of this is just guessing, I'm not privy to the process (other than what we saw in the dreambuild video), but it's based of my (limited?) knowledge of using CAD software and having parts 3D printed for prototype samples during development in automotive applications.
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brash
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9/7/2022 11:54am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2022 11:56am
I think it's 600 pounds for custom geo, don't have the little pound symbol on my Aussie Keyboard, just a symbol for beer and a koala...
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9/7/2022 5:35pm
not custom geometry as in angles, but custom sizing, 600 pounds to get a custom size to your wants
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