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brash 7/21/2022 2:25pm
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Noeserd wrote:
Word on the street is fox has a fix for the x2. New 7000 series aluminum bodies and updated bearing seal to a quad seal. Hopefully...
Word on the street is fox has a fix for the x2. New 7000 series aluminum bodies and updated bearing seal to a quad seal. Hopefully it does something?
It should be a warranty replacement for all the poor sods with the current one!
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metadave 7/21/2022 3:22pm
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I think the issues with treks current bikes is they were going for a rocker link that sat a bit more forward that didn't really work for having a current gen seat tube angle. As everyone mentioned when the slash came out, it was a slacker effective seattube angle than expected on a modern bike. And it's actual physical angle affects the rider position a lot because of how far back it reaches. For them to get the rocker position they wanted and the seattube angles, they needed to seperate the two and this seems to be the best looking way, otherwise you end up with whatever devinci has done or a yeti style seattube mast which would have to have a much more extensive rework to their layouts. So they had chunky or swoopy, and they went swoopy.
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mntnmrtn 7/21/2022 6:14pm
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In my opinion, TREK could have made their design even simpler, lighter and better looking by using a non-Trunnion shock since they would have had ample space to do so if they had installed the shock lower/on the downtube instead of making a lower shock mount like that. Is it because it's easier to market with the "Trunnion shock" line in the specs?

I can hear people saying that Trunnion mounts are not a big deal when the frames are well aligned, but my experience is that most frames i've bought were misaligned and had to be sent back for a replacement. And it seems to get worse with years. For this reason, I still won't buy a frame with a Trunnion mount shock, and I will keep inspecting the new frames I buy to make sure they're straight. Sorry. Just my 0.02$.
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Primoz 7/21/2022 9:23pm
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The reservoir would interfere with the downtube had they used a standard shock with the lower eyelet mounted lower down on the downtube.
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gibbon 7/22/2022 2:15am
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Noeserd wrote:
Word on the street is fox has a fix for the x2. New 7000 series aluminum bodies and updated bearing seal to a quad seal. Hopefully...
Word on the street is fox has a fix for the x2. New 7000 series aluminum bodies and updated bearing seal to a quad seal. Hopefully it does something?
millsr4 wrote:
That must be the new air shock that Melamed mentioned on the pinkbike podcast released today. He said something about only being comfortable on the coil...
That must be the new air shock that Melamed mentioned on the pinkbike podcast released today. He said something about only being comfortable on the coil shock in the past but is liking this new air shock.
More likely to be the new electronically controlled shock Jordy was talking about on Dialled and Ed Masters was testing. I think he mentioned Jesse had one too,
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dolface 7/22/2022 6:27am
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gibbon wrote:
More likely to be the new electronically controlled shock Jordy was talking about on Dialled and Ed Masters was testing. I think he mentioned Jesse had...
More likely to be the new electronically controlled shock Jordy was talking about on Dialled and Ed Masters was testing. I think he mentioned Jesse had one too,
Yep, he mentioned it in one of the Dialed episodes (talking about his luggage being lost).
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Primoz 7/22/2022 7:43am
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BTW, Jesse is reading this thread. We had the new shock discussions a few pages ago Tongue
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styriabeef 7/24/2022 1:45am
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Should be the new Sensor!
Release shouldn't be far away if they show it publicly now.


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gibbon 7/24/2022 9:28am
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Primoz wrote:
BTW, Jesse is reading this thread. We had the new shock discussions a few pages ago Tongue
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baronKanon 7/25/2022 5:43am
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Primoz wrote:
Had a look if the Charger 3 Lyrik service manual was up yet and found this: https://www.sram.com/globalassets/document-hierarchy/user-manuals/rockshox/front-suspension/airwiz-user-manual.pdf [img]https://i.imgur.com/58JT91F.png[/img] Is this something new or has it been...
Had a look if the Charger 3 Lyrik service manual was up yet and found this:
https://www.sram.com/globalassets/document-hierarchy/user-manuals/rocks…



Is this something new or has it been seen already? There have been some FCC reports if I remember correctly.

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https://bikerumor.com/2022-trek-rail-emtb-debuts-rockshox-airwiz-suspen…
melonhead1145 7/25/2022 5:44am
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Yeah already been seen. On some Ebike I think. It's pretty useless, it just tells you if the fork air pressure is correct.

When Shockwiz becomes built into the fork then maybe I will be interested
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Primoz 7/25/2022 5:59am
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Oh, this isn't the shockwiz even? Meh...

FWIW, the 3D models in the manual show the previous generation Range if I'm not mistaken.
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yeehaww 7/25/2022 6:30pm
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Rumor is there are three new yetis coming this fall. Sb120, sb140, sb160. All full 29ers.
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habaden 7/25/2022 7:12pm
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yeehaww wrote:
Rumor is there are three new yetis coming this fall. Sb120, sb140, sb160. All full 29ers.
Are they going to use the 160e linkage? Wonder if that means no more 27.5s in their lineup
baronKanon 7/25/2022 11:26pm
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Are they going to use the 160e linkage? Wonder if that means no more 27.5s in their lineup
Wouldn't count on it. That linkage was to get similar characteristics as the switch infinity with a motor. Yeti have said there are no current plans to use it for bikes.
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krabo83 7/25/2022 11:26pm
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habaden wrote:
Are they going to use the 160e linkage? Wonder if that means no more 27.5s in their lineup
switch infinity for their normal bikes, six-finity for ebikes according to yeti during the 160e launch.
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Primoz 7/25/2022 11:48pm
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Well you are going to say that 'the old bikes won't change, keep buying them'. It might be true, switch infinity will still be a lighter option, that's for sure. Maintenance should be easier on the 6-bar though, as it only uses standard bearings.

How does the rail hold up? Haven't heard many good stories about it to be honest, at least as far as reliability goes.
baronKanon 7/26/2022 12:30am
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Primoz wrote:
Well you are going to say that 'the old bikes won't change, keep buying them'. It might be true, switch infinity will still be a lighter...
Well you are going to say that 'the old bikes won't change, keep buying them'. It might be true, switch infinity will still be a lighter option, that's for sure. Maintenance should be easier on the 6-bar though, as it only uses standard bearings.

How does the rail hold up? Haven't heard many good stories about it to be honest, at least as far as reliability goes.
Six pairs of bearings vs two pairs and a grease port?
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Primoz 7/26/2022 12:40am
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Yup. Bearings are standard. Sliding rails are not.

It's not if something will go wrong, it's when. And when it does, it's a question of how hard it is to get you back up and running.
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gibbon 7/26/2022 1:38am
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It is easy to get back up and running, you pay the Yeti importer 350 Euros for a new switch link and bolt it in.
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Brian_Peterson 7/26/2022 8:21am
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krabo83 wrote:
switch infinity for their normal bikes, six-finity for ebikes according to yeti during the 160e launch.
Never say never... I would guess they might want to take some time to dial in the kinematics for a conventional bike... The Switch Infinity needs some space where a motor sits.. If they simplify things, why not?
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hogfly 7/26/2022 9:06am
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styriabeef wrote:
Should be the new Sensor! Release shouldn't be far away if they show it publicly now. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/24/12752/s1200_Screenshot_20220723_230835.jpg[/img]
Should be the new Sensor!
Release shouldn't be far away if they show it publicly now.


Please make it so...
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Onawalk 7/26/2022 2:22pm
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Primoz wrote:
Well you are going to say that 'the old bikes won't change, keep buying them'. It might be true, switch infinity will still be a lighter...
Well you are going to say that 'the old bikes won't change, keep buying them'. It might be true, switch infinity will still be a lighter option, that's for sure. Maintenance should be easier on the 6-bar though, as it only uses standard bearings.

How does the rail hold up? Haven't heard many good stories about it to be honest, at least as far as reliability goes.
baronKanon wrote:
Six pairs of bearings vs two pairs and a grease port?
I will say, of the dozen or so Yetis I’ve worked on (it’s a small sample size for sure, they seem to prefer the dealer) 10 have required full slider replacement, to the tune of $400ish bucks if I remember.
That was over the span of a couple years, but none of the bikes were more than 2 years old. All the caveats apply, Where, how often, is any maintenance done, etc.
I find most Horst link, faux bar bikes are good for 2-4 before they need bearings swapped, full kit for a Sentinel, $130Can last time I ordered
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Noeserd 7/27/2022 12:56pm
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switch infinity has like 30 hour service interval and i doubt any average yeti owner does that service at all
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jessemelamed 7/27/2022 1:58pm
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Primoz wrote:
BTW, Jesse is reading this thread. We had the new shock discussions a few pages ago Tongue
Reading only, can't say anything or I'll lose my privileges.
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pinkrobe 7/27/2022 3:08pm
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Noeserd wrote:
switch infinity has like 30 hour service interval and i doubt any average yeti owner does that service at all
Speaking as someone who has worked for shops that sell/service Yeti, the average Yeti owner can't manage a 300-hour service interval, much less 30...
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gibbon 7/27/2022 3:11pm
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jessemelamed wrote:
Reading only, can't say anything or I'll lose my privileges.
Just blame Eddie.......
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