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Marshall Willanholly 3/30/2022 7:07am
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centervillecycle wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxm8TJyrLng Steering damping has been used in motocross for a number of years. Yamaha is starting to play with electric assist/dampening for their bikes. Does anyone...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxm8TJyrLng

Steering damping has been used in motocross for a number of years. Yamaha is starting to play with electric assist/dampening for their bikes.

Does anyone think this will make its way into mountain biking? I could see the dampening being used at the DH World Cup level.


These have been around for ~20 years.

http://hopey.org/

I had one back in the days of narrow bars, short reaches, and when 67 degrees was a slack DH head angle. Worked pretty well.
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Marshall Willanholly 3/30/2022 7:09am
3/30/2022 7:09am
centervillecycle wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxm8TJyrLng Steering damping has been used in motocross for a number of years. Yamaha is starting to play with electric assist/dampening for their bikes. Does anyone...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxm8TJyrLng

Steering damping has been used in motocross for a number of years. Yamaha is starting to play with electric assist/dampening for their bikes.

Does anyone think this will make its way into mountain biking? I could see the dampening being used at the DH World Cup level.


Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Does this mean Hopey steering dampers will be relevant again?
Sniped by Uncle Cliffy!
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bedell99 3/30/2022 8:03am
3/30/2022 8:03am
Any updates to the Shimano wireless 1x12. More of curiosity. I saw some post related to Shimano going through the FCC to get it authorized and that was dated in December..

https://fcc.report/company/Shimano-Inc
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hardbash 3/30/2022 11:27am
3/30/2022 11:27am
Primoz wrote:
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork...
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork in 2015 to effectively a 120-130 mm fork these days), I'd say it's a no. The Lyrik is squarely becoming the 150mm range fork, so 140-160 mm? It's the same with the 36 actually...
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and I find it less fatiguing than these overly burly Zebs
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bermslapper69 3/30/2022 11:50am
3/30/2022 11:50am
Primoz wrote:
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork...
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork in 2015 to effectively a 120-130 mm fork these days), I'd say it's a no. The Lyrik is squarely becoming the 150mm range fork, so 140-160 mm? It's the same with the 36 actually...
hardbash wrote:
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and...
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and I find it less fatiguing than these overly burly Zebs
I understand wanting to keep a lyrik for the lower weight but if you think you can tangibly feel more fatigue due to the increased stiffness of a zeb you're lying to yourself (sram claims it is 2% stiffer than the lyrik fore and aft which would be the direction causing the chattery vibrations that cause fatigue).
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RiderMikeCheck1 3/30/2022 12:07pm
3/30/2022 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2022 12:09pm
Think this is probably the target range SRAM is going for, going forward:
Sid 100-120
Pike 110-140 (30mm range)
Lyrik 130-160 (30mm range)
Zeb 150-190 (40mm range)

However, hopefully we get 40mm range so it looks more like. But I think doubtful, since it seems they don't want the Pike going past 140mm and the Lyrik past 160:
Sid 100-120
Pike 110-150 (40mm range)
Lyrik 130-170 (40mm range)
Zeb 150-190 (40mm range)
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Noeserd 3/30/2022 12:43pm
3/30/2022 12:43pm
Since we are talking about motorcycle technology, what about Dual suspension in front?

Suspension smith Experimented with it on a demo 8

Can the idea make it to mainstream?





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Karabuka 3/30/2022 12:53pm
3/30/2022 12:53pm
Now thats crazy Woohoo Is the idea to keep the HTA constant through travel (to some extend)?
TheShortestCharles 3/30/2022 12:54pm
3/30/2022 12:54pm
Primoz wrote:
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork...
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork in 2015 to effectively a 120-130 mm fork these days), I'd say it's a no. The Lyrik is squarely becoming the 150mm range fork, so 140-160 mm? It's the same with the 36 actually...
hardbash wrote:
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and...
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and I find it less fatiguing than these overly burly Zebs
bermslapper69 wrote:
I understand wanting to keep a lyrik for the lower weight but if you think you can tangibly feel more fatigue due to the increased stiffness...
I understand wanting to keep a lyrik for the lower weight but if you think you can tangibly feel more fatigue due to the increased stiffness of a zeb you're lying to yourself (sram claims it is 2% stiffer than the lyrik fore and aft which would be the direction causing the chattery vibrations that cause fatigue).

This is from an Enduro Mag article - it's pretty unscientific (could be damping setup or mostly psychological, who knows) but people on both ends of the weight spectrum especially seem to be able to notice positive and negative differences.
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Noeserd 3/30/2022 1:33pm
3/30/2022 1:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2022 1:34pm
Karabuka wrote:
Now thats crazy Woohoo Is the idea to keep the HTA constant through travel (to some extend)?
he said;

"What is really interesting is what the data is showing in terms of how the two front suspensions interact with each other and how changing one such as upping the air pressure in the Ohlins forks or reducing the spring preload in the secondary shock....effect the action of the other and the suspension overall.

What is really intriguing is how the dampers are performing.....it appears that when the suspension hits a large obstacle which moves both dampers simultaneously you are getting a combined damping effect of the bump energy being put into the suspension...same can be said of the following rebound control ....

this means that the teleforks damper can be tuned to be very fast in compression and rebound and achieve a greater level of critical damping ... with the secondary damper then providing extra damping in those situations where the telefork would usually struggle to maintain control ...a regular telefork suspension tuned like this on its own would be considered flighty and unstable with poor chassis stability....but in this case the secondary damper is providing the extra damping when needed."
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lickmycrinkle 3/30/2022 1:58pm
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Primoz wrote:
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork...
I have zero info on that but given how Sram has moved the Pike down the totem pole (all the way from a 160 mm fork in 2015 to effectively a 120-130 mm fork these days), I'd say it's a no. The Lyrik is squarely becoming the 150mm range fork, so 140-160 mm? It's the same with the 36 actually...
hardbash wrote:
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and...
I really don't like that. Especially for lighter riders like myself, a Lyrik is more than enough in terms of stiffness for a 170mm fork and I find it less fatiguing than these overly burly Zebs
bermslapper69 wrote:
I understand wanting to keep a lyrik for the lower weight but if you think you can tangibly feel more fatigue due to the increased stiffness...
I understand wanting to keep a lyrik for the lower weight but if you think you can tangibly feel more fatigue due to the increased stiffness of a zeb you're lying to yourself (sram claims it is 2% stiffer than the lyrik fore and aft which would be the direction causing the chattery vibrations that cause fatigue).
Have you ridden one?

I attribute the incredible performance to more bushing overlap, actually. It stays as slippery in the parking lot as it does the roughest root carpet.
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Primoz 3/30/2022 2:14pm
3/30/2022 2:14pm
Seb Stott of bike radar times noted in a podcast that he felt the zeb working better, smoother going through the travel, thinking it might be connected through less flex of the chassis and thus less bushing binding.
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Will_Narayan 3/30/2022 3:21pm
3/30/2022 3:21pm
Noeserd wrote:
Since we are talking about motorcycle technology, what about Dual suspension in front? [url=https://www.facebook.com/Suspensionsmith]Suspension smith [/url] Experimented with it on a demo 8 Can the idea...
Since we are talking about motorcycle technology, what about Dual suspension in front?

Suspension smith Experimented with it on a demo 8

Can the idea make it to mainstream?





I once thought about that but with a girder fork at the top, and regular fork lowers..
100mm girder, 100mm regular fork, or different ratio, one tuned for small/quick bump, one for bigger bumps.
Don't know what would be the result.
hamncheez2003 3/30/2022 3:44pm
3/30/2022 3:44pm
Primoz wrote:
Seb Stott of bike radar times noted in a podcast that he felt the zeb working better, smoother going through the travel, thinking it might be...
Seb Stott of bike radar times noted in a podcast that he felt the zeb working better, smoother going through the travel, thinking it might be connected through less flex of the chassis and thus less bushing binding.
I really want EXT to make their inverted fork. Minimal bushing binding without an overly stiff/heavy fork. Maybe have one or both of the stanchion guards be a scissor link (like aircraft landing struts) to reduce torsional flex?
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Primoz 3/31/2022 2:15am
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Urlpls for the EXT fork?
Hittheshowers13 3/31/2022 9:22am
3/31/2022 9:22am
Another look at the new supposed Megatower at 4:25 in Elliot's Lourdes recap video, which was awesome BTW.

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Primoz 3/31/2022 9:27am
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Ah, thanks, I have it in my queue, but given the length of it (the queue), it will take a while before I get to this one Smile
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PJ205 3/31/2022 9:28am
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Really looking forward to seeing the other colorway, geo changes, and build specs of the Megatower V2. Won't be much longer at all! Hopefully new bike day is coming for me a lot sooner than later.
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mixmastamikal 3/31/2022 2:08pm
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Who else is excited for all the wacky innovations that will be simultaneously dropping tomorrow?
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Whattheheel 3/31/2022 3:33pm
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That other site already dropped the ball with theirs and it popped up on my dashboard earlier today. Fceplm.
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Hittheshowers13 3/31/2022 9:25pm
3/31/2022 9:25pm
Please let these be the only 3 April fools related posts in this thread. I believe in you, Vital user group.
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FullSend 4/1/2022 7:29am
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Onawalk wrote:
Gents, Wonder if you’re interested in moving this pissing match to another thread, I couldn’t care less about your thoughts on which you believe is easier...
Gents,
Wonder if you’re interested in moving this pissing match to another thread, I couldn’t care less about your thoughts on which you believe is easier or harder to ride. Keep your feelings somewhere else please.

I am interested in more info on that updated Boxxxer I keep seeing…you know, new tech and such

Also, the updated Zeb, buttercups and all that, when will we see those forks on bikes?
Got a 22 Spire coming, and it would be cool if it was the the newest and greatest gadget
NateMob wrote:
This, a hundred percent. I'd like to know more about Magnus Manson running his Dreadnaught in Lourdes with 180mm of rear travel. Has anyone actually confirmed...
This, a hundred percent.

I'd like to know more about Magnus Manson running his Dreadnaught in Lourdes with 180mm of rear travel. Has anyone actually confirmed that the Cascade link for the Druid also works on the enduro sled to up the travel?
Sincerely hope that it's not a Cascade Link. That guy knows surprisingly little about kinematics for what he's doing...
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Onawalk 4/1/2022 8:24am
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Onawalk wrote:
Gents, Wonder if you’re interested in moving this pissing match to another thread, I couldn’t care less about your thoughts on which you believe is easier...
Gents,
Wonder if you’re interested in moving this pissing match to another thread, I couldn’t care less about your thoughts on which you believe is easier or harder to ride. Keep your feelings somewhere else please.

I am interested in more info on that updated Boxxxer I keep seeing…you know, new tech and such

Also, the updated Zeb, buttercups and all that, when will we see those forks on bikes?
Got a 22 Spire coming, and it would be cool if it was the the newest and greatest gadget
NateMob wrote:
This, a hundred percent. I'd like to know more about Magnus Manson running his Dreadnaught in Lourdes with 180mm of rear travel. Has anyone actually confirmed...
This, a hundred percent.

I'd like to know more about Magnus Manson running his Dreadnaught in Lourdes with 180mm of rear travel. Has anyone actually confirmed that the Cascade link for the Druid also works on the enduro sled to up the travel?
FullSend wrote:
Sincerely hope that it's not a Cascade Link. That guy knows surprisingly little about kinematics for what he's doing...
Really,
Do tell, genuinely curious
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Poleczechy 4/1/2022 8:39am
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Hittheshowers13 wrote:
Please let these be the only 3 April fools related posts in this thread. I believe in you, Vital user group.

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TheShortestCharles 4/1/2022 10:38am
4/1/2022 10:38am
FullSend wrote:
Sincerely hope that it's not a Cascade Link. That guy knows surprisingly little about kinematics for what he's doing...
Well whatever he's doing sure seems to be working
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