2022 Mountain Bike Team Rumors

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Brevard_Bikewrench 1/26/2022 9:25pm
1/26/2022 9:25pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2022 9:27pm
peecee wrote:
Commencal upload on the other site from today [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/26/11935/s1200_p5pb21979023.jpg[/img]
Commencal upload on the other site from today



Approx 2.2 seconds of digging resulted in this… Confirmed Johnset on Commencal 100% https://m.pinkbike.com/photo/21979045/
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nucleardaisy 1/26/2022 11:44pm
1/26/2022 11:44pm
hgbrito133 wrote:
Commencal team [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/26/11934/s1200_image00001.jpg[/img]
Commencal team
New Commencal Vee (previously Commencal Nobl) team by the looks of it 👍👍 Just how many Commencal teams are there this season?
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nollak 1/26/2022 11:51pm
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hgbrito133 wrote:
Commencal team [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/01/26/11934/s1200_image00001.jpg[/img]
Commencal team
nucleardaisy wrote:
New Commencal Vee (previously Commencal Nobl) team by the looks of it 👍👍 Just how many Commencal teams are there this season?
About the same as there are Canyon teams? :D
To be honest I lost the overview. 3 or 4 Commencal teams and 3 Canyon teams?
Nohadream1 1/27/2022 12:38am
1/27/2022 12:38am
Mucoff, 100%, Dorval and Nolb/Vee.
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nucleardaisy 1/27/2022 1:31am
1/27/2022 1:31am
New riders for the Sunn French Connexion EWS Team

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Maxipedia 1/27/2022 3:39am
1/27/2022 3:39am
I believe it would be interesting to see for all the Commencal and Canyon teams how much money actually comes from the bike brands and how much from other sponsors. I am pretty sure in most cases they are actually just frame sponsors, but on the other hand, if someone else is paying the bigger bucks, they must want to have their brand name first in the team nomenclature, right?

Anyway, this is my list:

- Commencal Muc-Off - obviously factory team and Commencal pays the most money
- 100%/ Commencal - the official name is with 100% first, so I suspect most money comes from them
- Dorval AM Commencal - the investment fund obviously pays the biggest chunk and, as far as I can remember, they have the luxury to choose what frame they want and the Commencal are notoriously effective, so a little help from the brand can't hurt
- Commencal Nobl/Vee - not sure what the set-up is here, but it's obvious that for Nobl it's a huge financial effort and, even so, they don't have enough firepower to be the main sponsor, as a small up and coming brand; probably Vee Tire will provide important backing, as they obviously want to grow their footprint in the gravity scene

- Canyon CLLCTV Factory - factory team, everything clear here
- Canyon CLLCTV FMD - same here, factory, but my guess is that i their case the input from other sponsors is bigger than on the other team, not bigger than Canyon's, but a different proportion
- Canyon CLLCTV Pirelli - given the size of those Pirelli patches on their kit, it wouldn't surprise me if the tire sponsor moves first in the name come season opener, but it's been ”Trek Pirelli” on the XC circuit, so...

Anyway, regarding the talk a few pages before, who would've thought 10 years ago that we would speak of SR Suntour, Tektro, Promax, Kenda and Vee Tire on World Cup performance level, with all seriousness? I believe this is a good mirror about the good times we're having. If only Cannondale and Manitou made a proper comeback too... * sighs *

Much respect to every company that supports racing!

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Primoz 1/27/2022 4:47am
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One jab at your writing, we're talking about those brands in DH racing, are they present that well in Enduro racing too? I kinda have the feeling Enduro sticks to more traditional brands where the sales for the average consumer also are.

Anyway, regarding Canyon, is it possible the organisation is central, but there are sort of different 'subteams' and budget inputs from them? As far as FMD is concerned, it's the Tahnee program with her sponsors as those clash with the factory team - Sram vs. Fox/Shimano.
Another option would be Canyon just having the teams they are somewhat involved in under the Collective brand (therefore collective...), as freeriders are a part of this too, if I'm not mistaken, and the real status is shown by the 'Factory', 'FMD', 'Pirelli' parts? Kinda like you have two Red Bull teams in F1 (well, you used to, Alpha Tauri doesn't have any RB branding anymore actually...), but they are completely distinct from one another organisation wise, but Alpha Tauri does buy the allowed parts from RB to build their cars (almost wrote bikes here :D ).
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melonhead1145 1/27/2022 6:44am
1/27/2022 6:44am
FMD is the Seagrave's team (run by Tahnee's dad I'm pretty sure), nothing to do with Canyon, they are just the title sponsor. Previously FMD Racing have been on Transition and Intense frames
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Brevard_Bikewrench 1/27/2022 7:19am
1/27/2022 7:19am
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with Title (His components brand) starts building frames? There seems to be a shift in the past couple years of more and more riders progressing in the industry. Take the Athertons, starting their own brand, Isak Leivsson welding his own frames, and now Neko Mullaly building a program around frames he designed.

Not very likely, but would be rad to see!
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Maxipedia 1/27/2022 8:52am
1/27/2022 8:52am
melonhead1145 wrote:
FMD is the Seagrave's team (run by Tahnee's dad I'm pretty sure), nothing to do with Canyon, they are just the title sponsor. Previously FMD Racing...
FMD is the Seagrave's team (run by Tahnee's dad I'm pretty sure), nothing to do with Canyon, they are just the title sponsor. Previously FMD Racing have been on Transition and Intense frames
Erm, don't you thing ”has nothing to do with Canyon” is a little bit exaggerated? Just a wee bit. Smile

@primoz I see the point in your jab and you are right. I don't follow enduro as close as downhill, so the only brand that I have seen on that level is probably Suntour. The other brands, if they are not present in enduro racing yet, I don't see why they wouldn't be involved in the future. I think you understood too that, given their presence in downhill, normal people started taking these brands more serious on trail bikes too. TRP has pretty good reputation, for instance. I know people curious about their drivetrains, if you could only buy them over here. And the perception about Tektro brakes started to change into the better too. I also see Promax with other eyes, since their UR sponsorship, and I also spoke to riders who were satisfied with the OEM Vee tires on their Marins and other bike brand. I only hope this growth continues and spreads to other brands too.

Anyway, so what sponsors are we betting on, if we talk about Cathro's PB team? Seems Deity is involved. Will his other former personal sponsors be around too? POC? DHaRCO? Continental? Fox? Santa Cruz? Or rather ask this way: what brand is out there, that makes DH bikes and could use some representation?

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AndehM 1/27/2022 9:05am
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Yeah, I'm definitely more interested in TRP knowing a few high level riders have chosen them when they had options from S/S. Like, Neko is running TRP brakes but SRAM drivetrain, and basically said that he was choosing his favorite components, rather than what offered him the best deal.
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Tarhic 1/27/2022 10:13am
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Carson Storch without a frame deal for 2022 …. *faceplan*
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bulletbass man 1/27/2022 11:13am
1/27/2022 11:13am
Tarhic wrote:
Carson Storch without a frame deal for 2022 …. *faceplan*
Carson is one of those guys where keeping it real is costing him a paycheck. Nothing wrong with that but he doesn’t exactly produce a ton of content. That said he has a fair number of local sponsors who benefit a lot from how much he kicks it around Oregon. Hopefully some of them can step up support in Rocky’s absence.
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mwolpin 1/27/2022 1:38pm
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Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with...
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with Title (His components brand) starts building frames? There seems to be a shift in the past couple years of more and more riders progressing in the industry. Take the Athertons, starting their own brand, Isak Leivsson welding his own frames, and now Neko Mullaly building a program around frames he designed.

Not very likely, but would be rad to see!
Not very out of the box if others have already done something similar (just trolling)
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C-LION 1/27/2022 1:48pm
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Tarhic wrote:
Carson Storch without a frame deal for 2022 …. *faceplan*
Shocked - one of the best freeride athletes without a frame sponsor. Same happened to Adolf Silva if I am correct. Is creating content more important than talent/skills?
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jofish 1/27/2022 2:05pm
1/27/2022 2:05pm
Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with...
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with Title (His components brand) starts building frames? There seems to be a shift in the past couple years of more and more riders progressing in the industry. Take the Athertons, starting their own brand, Isak Leivsson welding his own frames, and now Neko Mullaly building a program around frames he designed.

Not very likely, but would be rad to see!
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for title? Only really basing this on the fact that a bunch of trek riders are also using them. But Trek might have realised that nobody ever actually buys bontrager stuff because it’s basically OE kit and it might make sense for them to take a smaller cut from a more gravity focussed brand like title?

This would make Rheeder’s departure even more of a head scratcher.
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LookinForIt 1/27/2022 2:25pm
1/27/2022 2:25pm
Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with...
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with Title (His components brand) starts building frames? There seems to be a shift in the past couple years of more and more riders progressing in the industry. Take the Athertons, starting their own brand, Isak Leivsson welding his own frames, and now Neko Mullaly building a program around frames he designed.

Not very likely, but would be rad to see!
jofish wrote:
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for...
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for title? Only really basing this on the fact that a bunch of trek riders are also using them. But Trek might have realised that nobody ever actually buys bontrager stuff because it’s basically OE kit and it might make sense for them to take a smaller cut from a more gravity focussed brand like title?

This would make Rheeder’s departure even more of a head scratcher.
Pretty sure Title bars and stem are We Are One bars and stem.

Putting the tin hat on, wouldn't it be wild if Rheeder went to WAO? They did tease that they were working on a DH bike...
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jofish 1/27/2022 4:25pm
1/27/2022 4:25pm
LookinForIt wrote:
Pretty sure Title bars and stem are We Are One bars and stem. Putting the tin hat on, wouldn't it be wild if Rheeder went to...
Pretty sure Title bars and stem are We Are One bars and stem.

Putting the tin hat on, wouldn't it be wild if Rheeder went to WAO? They did tease that they were working on a DH bike...
Are you telling me they are one?
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Brian_Peterson 1/27/2022 6:55pm
1/27/2022 6:55pm
jofish wrote:
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for...
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for title? Only really basing this on the fact that a bunch of trek riders are also using them. But Trek might have realised that nobody ever actually buys bontrager stuff because it’s basically OE kit and it might make sense for them to take a smaller cut from a more gravity focussed brand like title?

This would make Rheeder’s departure even more of a head scratcher.
I'm thinking maybe he enjoyed some freedom without a suspension deal, so maybe he puts a little extra focus on Title and just rides whatever frame he wants..
melonhead1145 1/28/2022 12:40am
1/28/2022 12:40am
Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with...
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with Title (His components brand) starts building frames? There seems to be a shift in the past couple years of more and more riders progressing in the industry. Take the Athertons, starting their own brand, Isak Leivsson welding his own frames, and now Neko Mullaly building a program around frames he designed.

Not very likely, but would be rad to see!
jofish wrote:
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for...
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for title? Only really basing this on the fact that a bunch of trek riders are also using them. But Trek might have realised that nobody ever actually buys bontrager stuff because it’s basically OE kit and it might make sense for them to take a smaller cut from a more gravity focussed brand like title?

This would make Rheeder’s departure even more of a head scratcher.
Isn't Trek Factory Racing running title bars and stem? pretty sure Loris was anyway
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JoseMPM 1/28/2022 1:41am
1/28/2022 1:41am
Curious to see how Mille will do on the Commencal. Everybody seems to be going pretty damn fast on that thing, while other than Andi Kolb and Rach’s last season the same cannot be really said about the Atherton’s bike, cool as the idea is.
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melonhead1145 1/28/2022 2:33am
1/28/2022 2:33am
I thought spesh off fox has been known for a long time. Didn't Bruni already announce this? I guess they will be running spesh kit this year? Does that mean a new DH helmet from them?
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bulletbass man 1/28/2022 4:25am
1/28/2022 4:25am
Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with...
Heres a very out of the box thought but would be rad to see. What if Rheeder goes off on his own and in conjunction with Title (His components brand) starts building frames? There seems to be a shift in the past couple years of more and more riders progressing in the industry. Take the Athertons, starting their own brand, Isak Leivsson welding his own frames, and now Neko Mullaly building a program around frames he designed.

Not very likely, but would be rad to see!
jofish wrote:
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for...
Trying to read between the lines I was guessing that trek might have played a part in getting Brett set up with suppliers and distribution for title? Only really basing this on the fact that a bunch of trek riders are also using them. But Trek might have realised that nobody ever actually buys bontrager stuff because it’s basically OE kit and it might make sense for them to take a smaller cut from a more gravity focussed brand like title?

This would make Rheeder’s departure even more of a head scratcher.
melonhead1145 wrote:
Isn't Trek Factory Racing running title bars and stem? pretty sure Loris was anyway
Speaking shandro manages both tfr and c3 it wouldn’t be too far fetched that both programs would run the components of a current/former member.

Personally I think trek has a lot to gain by putting title stuff on their dh bikes. I have pretty good luck with Bontrager parts and think a lot of brands waste a lot of money on trendy oe parts I replace anyways. Often with something I’m pulling from a current bike. So a title bar/stem isn’t something I’m concerned with. But a ton of people really just want something a little cooler that comes that way out the door.
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