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1/20/2022 9:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/20/2022 9:24 PM

Is that Carson Storch pushing a GT with Maguras up at Freeride Fiesta?
https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/21951145

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1/20/2022 9:26 PM

chacou wrote:

Is that Carson Storch pushing a GT with Maguras up at Freeride Fiesta?
https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/21951145

Is the guy next to him Nicholi Rogatkin on a cannonade?

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1/20/2022 9:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/20/2022 9:40 PM

chacou wrote:

Is that Carson Storch pushing a GT with Maguras up at Freeride Fiesta?
https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/21951145

Darkstar530 wrote:

Is the guy next to him Nicholi Rogatkin on a cannonade?

yeah, not Carson Storch on that GT... https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/21951087/
maybe I should get on IG and see that he's not riding a GT https://www.instagram.com/p/CY9oXf0hxnu/ :doh:

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1/20/2022 11:15 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned here but there is a rumour floating around that Keegan Wright will be on a Yeti this year.

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1/20/2022 11:21 PM

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another employee from Vee has posted on Facebook saying "see you soon".
Is this just them getting excited about the season? Or has Intense switched to Vee?

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1/20/2022 11:25 PM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

I kinda would MTB switched to F1 rules for tyres. There's your set for the weekend, there is your dry, wet and inters. This is the brand everyone is riding, crack on.

I know marketing and all but i'd wager bad tyres hold riders back more than any other product.

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1/20/2022 11:37 PM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

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1/20/2022 11:51 PM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

Topperharley wrote:

I kinda would MTB switched to F1 rules for tyres. There's your set for the weekend, there is your dry, wet and inters. This is ...more

In the current form it's a free market. If a rider/team prefers big bucks to big results, it's on them.

As for F1 (and some other series), it's done that way to prevent a spending war. Back in the Bridgestone-Michelin wars Bridgestone was essentially making tires for Ferrari and them only with other teams adapting. That worked in the early 2000s days where there was unlimited testing (which helps if you own your own race track right besides the factory, so much so that Michael Schumacher reportedly took a helicopter from Monaco to Fiorano to try out a different car setup in the afternoon either before quallys or between the quallys and the race), but wouldn't work that well these days.

Also, with MTBs it's a lot more down to the feel of it all with different riders running different treads (shorties, cut shorties, DHF, DHR, Dissector, High Roller II and Assegai just from Maxxis for different types of dry running) and not so much down to 'actual performance' whereas an F1 car at the time was designed for a specific tyre as Michelins and Bridgestones were VERY different in construction and thus behaviour. QED, Toyota HQ forced the F1 team to switch from Michelins to Bridgestones (because Japan) when the car was already designed to run Michelins. The results were disastrous, even on Toyota F1 scale.

Running spec tyres in DH would do very little, both in preventing costs (Le Mans has a limited set of tyres for the 24h race, but there's an additional allocation to cover punctures) and improving racing. At the end of the day, DH racing is not bad tongue

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1/21/2022 12:54 AM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

Topperharley wrote:

I kinda would MTB switched to F1 rules for tyres. There's your set for the weekend, there is your dry, wet and inters. This is ...more

Primoz wrote:

In the current form it's a free market. If a rider/team prefers big bucks to big results, it's on them.

As for F1 (and some ...more

I get why it's done in F1 and not in MTB.

The minutia in F1 is far more important than it is in MTB, how cannot hope to design a bike around a tyre, too many variables.

But say that it has little effect to those that have to run crap tyres. The goal is to stop teams looking for a budget running crap tyres to get one and that holding riders back, which it has.

Michelin / Maxxis et al ditch their individual budgets and compete to supply the WC circuit, giving all teams an even playing field.

Meh, just feel bad for Jack, but he's in a better place now.

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1/21/2022 1:19 AM

Topperharley wrote:

I get why it's done in F1 and not in MTB.

The minutia in F1 is far more important than it is in MTB, how cannot hope to ...more

You could use the same argument saying everyone should run the same suspension, good suspension and bad suspension also makes a huge difference, the same with brakes. I'd say while tyres are easily the most important, suspension and brakes come 2nd to that. Maxxis and Schwalbe certainly seem to be the best in terms of tread pattern, compound and construction, and Michelin don't seem bad either. Phil Atwill has had some success on Vee, and I've never heard bad things about them. Kenda have been junk for as long as I can remember.

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1/21/2022 1:32 AM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

metadave wrote:

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

Aaron Gwin like good $$ more than good tires.

All of the components his team run go to the highest bidder.

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1/21/2022 1:54 AM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

metadave wrote:

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

He should get sharpie on board laughing

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1/21/2022 1:57 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/21/2022 2:15 AM

Primoz wrote:

In the current form it's a free market. If a rider/team prefers big bucks to big results, it's on them.

As for F1 (and some ...more

Topperharley wrote:

I get why it's done in F1 and not in MTB.

The minutia in F1 is far more important than it is in MTB, how cannot hope to ...more

melonhead1145 wrote:

You could use the same argument saying everyone should run the same suspension, good suspension and bad suspension also makes ...more

You could use the same argument but suspension can be tweaked to make a bad bike work and vice versa, tyres can't.

Brakes can also be tweaked to preference, tyres can't.

Though not all brakes and suspension are created equal, they can both be made to perform, tyres can't, maybe spoke tension or cutting little knobs off, can arguably help with grip or rolling speed.

Never gonna not feel bad for Jack.

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1/21/2022 2:21 AM

chacou wrote:

Is that Carson Storch pushing a GT with Maguras up at Freeride Fiesta?
https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/21951145

Darkstar530 wrote:

Is the guy next to him Nicholi Rogatkin on a cannonade?

On GT i'ts Eliott Lapotre and Louis Reboul on the Cannondale ! 2 french guys

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1/21/2022 4:21 AM

metadave wrote:

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

The Onza Aquila that Gwin developed with them is actually a great tyre. It is however a very Maxxisesque tread pattern and I'm pretty sure they are made in the CST factory (Maxxis parent company) and the 40a visco compound is suspiciously like the old Maxxis Slow Reezay.
They worked really well for him in MSA in the wet!
Those Kendas they're running now look like they work as well as the IRC Kujos I had in the late 90s!

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1/21/2022 4:26 AM

Topperharley wrote:

I get why it's done in F1 and not in MTB.

The minutia in F1 is far more important than it is in MTB, how cannot hope to ...more

melonhead1145 wrote:

You could use the same argument saying everyone should run the same suspension, good suspension and bad suspension also makes ...more

Topperharley wrote:

You could use the same argument but suspension can be tweaked to make a bad bike work and vice versa, tyres can't.

Brakes can ...more

I felt worse for Jack about the stitch up he got from C'dale, but that looks to have ended up being a blessing in disguise. He seems pretty happy where he is now although I hope he gets paid the $ he deserves in the next contract cycle.

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1/21/2022 4:51 AM

Topperharley wrote:

I get why it's done in F1 and not in MTB.

The minutia in F1 is far more important than it is in MTB, how cannot hope to ...more

melonhead1145 wrote:

You could use the same argument saying everyone should run the same suspension, good suspension and bad suspension also makes ...more

Topperharley wrote:

You could use the same argument but suspension can be tweaked to make a bad bike work and vice versa, tyres can't.

Brakes can ...more

Get the tyre company make you a special run of their tyres with a different compound? There's a tweak.

As for tweaking suspension, how do you tweak a linear leverage ratio bike blowing through the travel to run a coil shock if your rider requires it? And to drag out the argument to ridiculousness, it can't be done with a simple rocker link switch, as the shock is driven off the swingarm for example smile

Everything can be tweaked, if there is a strong enough wish. With tyres, the strongest tweak applicator is the humble sharpie. It has enabled running Maxxis tyres to the likes of Continental sponsored Athertons and Specialized Gravity Republic.

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1/21/2022 4:53 AM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

metadave wrote:

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

JamesR_2026 wrote:

The Onza Aquila that Gwin developed with them is actually a great tyre. It is however a very Maxxisesque tread pattern and I'm ...more

Kenda ownership has some type of major relationship with intense now. I don’t know the details but the switch from onza to kenda wasn’t Aaron’s decision. Believe the switch to Thor was perhaps a choice but is also related to whatever intense’s current business structure is.

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1/21/2022 5:01 AM

metadave wrote:

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

JamesR_2026 wrote:

The Onza Aquila that Gwin developed with them is actually a great tyre. It is however a very Maxxisesque tread pattern and I'm ...more

bulletbass man wrote:

Kenda ownership has some type of major relationship with intense now. I don’t know the details but the switch from onza to ...more

You realise Aaron owns and runs the IFR team now and it's a separate entity to Intense Bicycles?
He's chosen to run Kenda and take their sponsorship $.
No one at Intense is forcing them to run them.

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1/21/2022 5:29 AM

Vee was producing the Intense Tire System (ITS) tires, which was/is a company belonging to T.H.E. after they bought it from Intense.
https://bikerumor.com/soc13-vee-rubber-teams-up-with-intense-its/

Maybe the return of ITS or Intense-branded tires?

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1/21/2022 7:02 AM

tuhoto on MS confirmed!!!

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1/21/2022 7:15 AM

Here's the full announcement, Mondraker making another splash, nabbing up one of the hottest young riders in the World Cup right now: https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/Tuhoto-Ariki-Pene-Joins-MS-Mondraker,5031

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1/21/2022 7:56 AM

Shit yeah bro.

Should be a good team. Hope the kiwis don't completely overwhelm Trummer, but Tuhoto seems like the real deal and his interviews are the best around.

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1/21/2022 10:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/21/2022 10:23 AM

iRider wrote:

Vee was producing the Intense Tire System (ITS) tires, which was/is a company belonging to T.H.E. after they bought it from ...more

Was just gonna bring this up.

FRO tires that weigh approximately the same as a small truck are back, BAYBEE! (maybe)

edit: a set of 29er FROs on MAG30s would probably weigh north of 15lbs... I'm pretty sure the 26" set i weighed a few years back was over 12lbs.

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1/21/2022 10:29 AM

Apparently Florian nicolai was spotted running 2022 DVO suspension

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1/21/2022 11:59 AM

JamesR_2026 wrote:

The Onza Aquila that Gwin developed with them is actually a great tyre. It is however a very Maxxisesque tread pattern and I'm ...more

bulletbass man wrote:

Kenda ownership has some type of major relationship with intense now. I don’t know the details but the switch from onza to ...more

JamesR_2026 wrote:

You realise Aaron owns and runs the IFR team now and it's a separate entity to Intense Bicycles?
He's chosen to run Kenda and ...more

Read his interviews from when he made the switch.

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1/21/2022 12:36 PM

casey79 wrote:

Aaron Gwin like good $$ more than good tires.

All of the components his team run go to the highest bidder.

Chucks his mechanic under the bus as well when a crappy product fails....

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1/21/2022 1:36 PM

It's hard to say for sure, but the lever in Angel Saurez IG story looks a lot like a bronze Hayes Dominion to me.

Photo

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1/21/2022 2:09 PM

nucleardaisy wrote:

Ok, so this is pretty interesting. The owner of Vee Tire Co has started to share Intense Factory Racing news, and another ...more

metadave wrote:

I don't understand why Aaron Gwin hates good tires

casey79 wrote:

Aaron Gwin like good $$ more than good tires.

All of the components his team run go to the highest bidder.

That's one way to look at it. Another is to consider that he's very difficult to work with (perhaps too particular, too needy, pain in the a or just a jerk). But it sure seems like sponsors can't wait to get away from the guy after a couple of years and he's left with second tier choices for gear and components. A-la Brian Lopes. And this is not *my take* this is what I have heard first hand from industry folks.

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1/21/2022 2:12 PM

Edthorne wrote:

It's hard to say for sure, but the lever in Angel Saurez IG story looks a lot like a bronze Hayes Dominion to me.

Photo

He's been with hayes for a couple of years. That last commencal team was partnered up with them. I would guess they're a carryover. But, considering how good those brakes are i wouldn't be surprised if he kept them as a sponsor.

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