No Vaccine, No Lourdes World Cup for Racers?

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Let's be honest, it's their rules, their terms to enter their country. Even most of Europe, if you can't accept that don't race and don't complain...
Let's be honest, it's their rules, their terms to enter their country. Even most of Europe, if you can't accept that don't race and don't complain. The vaccine gives you a opportunitiy
ghirox wrote:
Next year: mandatory thumb amputation to race in the US. It's their rules, their terms to enter their country. If you can't accept that don't race...
Next year: mandatory thumb amputation to race in the US. It's their rules, their terms to enter their country.
If you can't accept that don't race and don't complain. Mandatory thumb amputation gives you an opportunity.
Great logic!
iRider wrote:
Can you imagine someone demands entry to the US but does not want to obey the rules that are set for entry? I cannot see that...
Can you imagine someone demands entry to the US but does not want to obey the rules that are set for entry? I cannot see that going well. So I think France and Europe have the same right to enforce their rules and laws, especially considering that something of so little importance as a sporting event is affected.

Wasn't it a couple of years ago when some DH racer was not allowed to go to Canada to participate in the Mt StAnne WC race because he had a DUI in the us?
First of all, neither France nor Europe have rights. The people living in France and Europe have rights.
Secondly, rules and laws must follow logical criteria in order to be enforced.
A sporting event may be of little importance but tying people's rights to a mandatory medical treatment isn't.
More so if the mandatory medical treatment in question is as ineffective as these vaccines seem to be.
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Yea seems Griz thinks all the top world cup racers are vaxxed. Haha. Would be shocked if it was over 50% if you're including XC and...
Yea seems Griz thinks all the top world cup racers are vaxxed. Haha. Would be shocked if it was over 50% if you're including XC and DH.

nskerb wrote:
Yeah I’m pretty pro vax but if I’m relying on my body to make a living I’m definitely gonna wait until some long term data comes...
Yeah I’m pretty pro vax but if I’m relying on my body to make a living I’m definitely gonna wait until some long term data comes in.
The guys were talking about mostly are the peak of whatever class they are competing in. Generally devoting their entire life and forgoing education to make it big. I can’t blame them for not wanting a shot that hasn’t been around a very long time.
I get that point, but the scientific literature is quite clear on the fact that a Covid infection is more likely to have a negative impact on performance than the vaccine. Especially when thinking about long-Covid.
If I was a pro racer I would probably have tried to time as much of my vaccinations with the start of the off-season to minimise the effect on my training. However with the Booster requirements that seems a little tricky to get just right.

Anyhow, wouldn't most pro racers and their teams already be vaccinated to be able to get around most travel restrictions?
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1/20/2022 5:03am Edited Date/Time 1/20/2022 5:46am
Preface, didn't read the thread. Yet. I'm supposed to be working.

Preface part2, I'm triple vaccinated (2 rounds of AZ initially, in May and June) and I ran out to get a Pfizer booster as soon as it was possible in Slovenia (vector vaccines enabled an only 2 month period before the booster could be applied), so I got the third shot in early novembre.

I've recently had a listen to a Peter Attia podcast about the state of Omicron: https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19-current-state-omicron/
And I'm currently listening to the Barri Weiss podcast (one of the guests is the same in both cases): https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vUl…

In both cases (at least after the first hour oft he Barri Weiss podcast I've listened to, I still have t listen to the last half an hour)I find it VERY weird that they don't mention any long term effects that are apparently quite often found in people that have dealt with COVID. Granted, with Omicron we don't know if any of them still apply, though on the other hand, given how many weird complications can arise from COVID (not related to the respiratory tract), we also don't know if there are any new ones.

BUT! Given how many positive people we have in Slovenia these days (~6-times as many as a year ago per day), given that it's happening everywhere and given that it appears Omicron, even though the case numbers are MUCH higher, hospital loads seem to be staying fairly the same, I'm in the camp of 'this will blow over in the next two months'.

As another 'preface' (postface?) I didn't hang out with anybody from october 2020 to june 2021 except coworkers (wearing masks and all), but given what Omicron appears to be like and given how tired everybody really seems to be (didn't think I'd ever say it, but it's really cumbersome showing the vaccination confirmation QR code and ID everywhere...), I have a feeling a lot of people will just shrug at whatever happens from this point on. And the doctors in the podcasts have a point, this is likely something that will stay with us forever, likely as the fifth coronavirus that is the cause of the common cold (which still does kill people, just like the flu).

I wouldn't bet on France opening things up by the end of March, but I wouldn't be surprised, if that does in fact happen around the world or happens shortly thereafter.
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Yea seems Griz thinks all the top world cup racers are vaxxed. Haha. Would be shocked if it was over 50% if you're including XC and...
Yea seems Griz thinks all the top world cup racers are vaxxed. Haha. Would be shocked if it was over 50% if you're including XC and DH.

nskerb wrote:
Yeah I’m pretty pro vax but if I’m relying on my body to make a living I’m definitely gonna wait until some long term data comes...
Yeah I’m pretty pro vax but if I’m relying on my body to make a living I’m definitely gonna wait until some long term data comes in.
The guys were talking about mostly are the peak of whatever class they are competing in. Generally devoting their entire life and forgoing education to make it big. I can’t blame them for not wanting a shot that hasn’t been around a very long time.
Waiting with the tested vaccine and risking infection with a virus, that can easily destroy your lungs, among other things? I mean it does make sense to wait, but only if you're taking ALL precautions to prevent infection as well. Traveling around the world is hardly that :/

UAE Emirates team was, apparently, vaccinated in january 2021. You know, the team of the two time Tour de France winner Smile
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uae-team-emirates-given-covid-19-vacci…
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uae-team-emirates-taking-no-chances-wi…

I'm not sure they would gain much by claiming this and faking it behind the scenes to be honest. Even more so by taking the Sinopharm vaccine (which, incidentally, has a very low protection rate...). Well, looks like it didn't do too much harm to Pogačar Smile

@bulletbass man, it hasn't been years, it's been less than a week longer than half a year. I think he's a Pinkbike 'refugee'.
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ghirox wrote:
Next year: mandatory thumb amputation to race in the US. It's their rules, their terms to enter their country. If you can't accept that don't race...
Next year: mandatory thumb amputation to race in the US. It's their rules, their terms to enter their country.
If you can't accept that don't race and don't complain. Mandatory thumb amputation gives you an opportunity.
Great logic!
iRider wrote:
Can you imagine someone demands entry to the US but does not want to obey the rules that are set for entry? I cannot see that...
Can you imagine someone demands entry to the US but does not want to obey the rules that are set for entry? I cannot see that going well. So I think France and Europe have the same right to enforce their rules and laws, especially considering that something of so little importance as a sporting event is affected.

Wasn't it a couple of years ago when some DH racer was not allowed to go to Canada to participate in the Mt StAnne WC race because he had a DUI in the us?
ghirox wrote:
First of all, neither France nor Europe have rights. The people living in France and Europe have rights. Secondly, rules and laws must follow logical criteria...
First of all, neither France nor Europe have rights. The people living in France and Europe have rights.
Secondly, rules and laws must follow logical criteria in order to be enforced.
A sporting event may be of little importance but tying people's rights to a mandatory medical treatment isn't.
More so if the mandatory medical treatment in question is as ineffective as these vaccines seem to be.
You do not seem to travel much or have a job demanding certain vaccinations, or?

There are tons of countries that demand certain vaccinations if you want to enter the country, even if you do not plan to travel to the areas where the diseases vaccinated against are endemic. These vaccines are often as effective as the Covid vaccine.
A lot of jobs in medicial professions, as animal keeper, in biotech, at the wastewater treatment plant, etc. require vaccination for certain diseases that you might be exposed to with your work tasks.

Do you hear people complaining about that? Either you follow these rules or you decide to not travel/work there. Done. If some athletes do not want to get vaccinated then nobody should force them to, but they need to live with the consequences of their actions.
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Pisgah - congrats on drinking the Kill-Aid. Our data, you know, at our facilities where we see our patients does not at all correlate with the...
Pisgah - congrats on drinking the Kill-Aid. Our data, you know, at our facilities where we see our patients does not at all correlate with the narrative that you are reading.

We had a PT just last week (very gifted MTN rider). He was presenting with abdominal pain. DX was quite clear and he was scheduled for the surgical unit. THREE TIMES he refused a ChinaFlu test (as is his right). While he was under anesthesia for a laparoscopic appendectomy they tested him (against his will) and after that....you guessed it! Hospitalized for ChinaFlu! (he was there a total of four hours).

Contrary to that, a PT who is a years long smoker, + for ChinaFlu, obese and fully symptomatic (and now dead)...well, he is in the same number pool as the asymptomatic cyclist (who is going to sue the facility for a TON of money, and win). According to the numbers, life long smoker died of ChinaFlu, smoking had nothing to do with it.

Further, our PT's (who are not getting plasma or Ivermectin/NAC at their option) are the ones who end up in patient, of those, over 99% are just fine in 48 hours...the entire inpatient process is almost as if we are back in the 70's where everyone was welcome like motel 6, not like the "Treat them and Street them" that we should be doing - first time, every time.

But, carry on. If you got the shot....why the fuck do you care if someone didnt? You have a condom on your pecker full time just in case someone in the room has herpes?
Get help.
It has been long since I have seen a more racist, oblivious to scientific facts, opinionated and downright dumb (hereby referring to your apalling “shot for shot” stupidity, you are the perfect example as to why guns should not be for everybody) in this site.
Get help, and leave your shit at the door when you come on here.
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1/20/2022 6:31am
Can someone give an ALEX JONES opinion to the debate?
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Can someone give an ALEX JONES opinion to the debate?
:puts on tinfoil: vaccines are turning the frogs gay
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Can someone give an ALEX JONES opinion to the debate?
Just look on the first page of the thread for the Florida man.
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Can someone give an ALEX JONES opinion to the debate?
FlatLander doing a pretty good impression tbh.
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Can someone give an ALEX JONES opinion to the debate?
jonkranked wrote:
:puts on tinfoil: vaccines are turning the frogs gay
I think you put it on upside down.
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griz wrote:
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get...
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get vaccinated, but I don’t think it will be any of the top contenders. Bring on the racing!
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be considered "good."
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griz wrote:
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get...
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get vaccinated, but I don’t think it will be any of the top contenders. Bring on the racing!
Lil_kell35 wrote:
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be...
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be considered "good."
Cant' remember the last time there was a Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Rubella etc. global pandemic.
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Lil_kell35 wrote:
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be...
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be considered "good."
hum...poliomyelite! an other one? tetanos, measles, rubeole... Oh one dose for them all, surely a dangerous one!
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1/20/2022 8:01am
Can't wait for more countries to mandate this.
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What's in - not talking about stuff people argue about. What's out - anything to do with covid moving forward.
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griz wrote:
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get...
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get vaccinated, but I don’t think it will be any of the top contenders. Bring on the racing!
Lil_kell35 wrote:
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be...
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be considered "good."
Lucent wrote:
Cant' remember the last time there was a Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Rubella etc. global pandemic.
Thanks for the facts Lucent!
People seem to forget that their children must have certain vaccines to attend public school, in the US. My Dad remembers getting the polio vaccine, no shot…just a drop of liquid on a sugar cube. Speaking of measles…I’ve got to get my 2nd Shingles vaccine this month.
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Lil_kell35 wrote:
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be...
mmmm yes, please show me just one example of when written laws that force medical action have ever resulted in an outcome that could rationally be considered "good."
Lucent wrote:
Cant' remember the last time there was a Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Rubella etc. global pandemic.
griz wrote:
Thanks for the facts Lucent! People seem to forget that their children must have certain vaccines to attend public school, in the US. My Dad remembers...
Thanks for the facts Lucent!
People seem to forget that their children must have certain vaccines to attend public school, in the US. My Dad remembers getting the polio vaccine, no shot…just a drop of liquid on a sugar cube. Speaking of measles…I’ve got to get my 2nd Shingles vaccine this month.
Oh man. I would get 4000 Shingles shots regardless of what was in it to avoid getting that shit again. That was some of the most painful and frustrating months of my life. Couldn't do anything without pain. Even the breeze blowing a shirt against me was agony. Took months to overcome and even 7 years later i still get weird tingles in the area where i had it and start freaking out that its coming back!
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1/20/2022 9:12am
Low level exposure to Atrazine has been proven to change frog sexual orientation, so you probably owe Alex Jones an apology.

The issue with the vaccine is that it does not act as a vaccine at at - it does not prevent contraction of Covid nor does it prevent the spread of Covid; although it does seem to have a "perceived" slight reduction of symptoms of Covid, but having had Covid recently I can say that is false. So an unvaccinated vs. vaccinated person have roughly the same opportunities to spread, contract, be hospitalized, etc with the unvaccinated having the edge with a 100% immunity to unproven genetic modifying MRNA drugs (the results of which are locked until 2076). The vaccinated do, however, have a 0% chance of suing for said side effects as this is still an "emergency use only" drug.

With virtually no difference between vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, there is virtually no reason to require healthy individuals to take an experimental emergency use drug to compete in DH racing.
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sspomer wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/uploads/2311/headdip.jpg[/img] 2 months away for Lourdes World Cup and based on what's happened so far with Djokovic (unvaccinated pro tennis player) and the French Open with...

2 months away for Lourdes World Cup and based on what's happened so far with Djokovic (unvaccinated pro tennis player) and the French Open with his attendance in question, what about Lourdes World Cup DH for unvaccinated racers? "no exceptions" from French Sports Ministry right now, but also "things might change" as time goes on.

some quotes from a yahoo sports article
...on Sunday, the French parliament overwhelmingly approved a law requiring vaccination for anyone at restaurants, sports arenas and other venues. Previously unvaccinated persons were allowed to enter with a valid negative test. That incudes the French Open and the French Sports Ministry confirmed on Monday there would be no exemptions.

The French Sports Ministry confirmed there would be no exemptions to Reuters, but said the overall situation might change before the draw in May. Via Reuters:

"This will apply to everyone who is a spectator or a professional sportsperson. And this until further notice," the ministry said.

https://sports.yahoo.com/novak-djokovic-cant-play-at-french-open-unless…

could world cup racers be impacted? we'll see i guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Q1eB7-cb4
Sean wake up!!! Make it stop 🙏🏻

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1/20/2022 9:33am Edited Date/Time 1/20/2022 9:34am
LLLLL wrote:
Sean wake up!!! Make it stop 🙏🏻

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i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and team people, too.

quite frankly, i'm really surprised that anyone responds to trolls or argumentative people on either side of an opinion in an internet forum these days. the simpsons still say it best 27 years later. just don't look (if you don't look or respond, it means nothing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

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sspomer wrote:
i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and...
i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and team people, too.

quite frankly, i'm really surprised that anyone responds to trolls or argumentative people on either side of an opinion in an internet forum these days. the simpsons still say it best 27 years later. just don't look (if you don't look or respond, it means nothing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

So you decide to remove posts from trolls and people trying to stop the spread of misinformation alike? Shocked
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sspomer wrote:
i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and...
i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and team people, too.

quite frankly, i'm really surprised that anyone responds to trolls or argumentative people on either side of an opinion in an internet forum these days. the simpsons still say it best 27 years later. just don't look (if you don't look or respond, it means nothing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

iRider wrote:
So you decide to remove posts from trolls and people trying to stop the spread of misinformation alike? Shocked
I think that guy just deleted all posts and his entire profile. So my responses to deleted posts also got deleted, I didn’t initially think it was anything malicious.
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Low level exposure to Atrazine has been proven to change frog sexual orientation, so you probably owe Alex Jones an apology. The issue with the vaccine...
Low level exposure to Atrazine has been proven to change frog sexual orientation, so you probably owe Alex Jones an apology.

The issue with the vaccine is that it does not act as a vaccine at at - it does not prevent contraction of Covid nor does it prevent the spread of Covid; although it does seem to have a "perceived" slight reduction of symptoms of Covid, but having had Covid recently I can say that is false. So an unvaccinated vs. vaccinated person have roughly the same opportunities to spread, contract, be hospitalized, etc with the unvaccinated having the edge with a 100% immunity to unproven genetic modifying MRNA drugs (the results of which are locked until 2076). The vaccinated do, however, have a 0% chance of suing for said side effects as this is still an "emergency use only" drug.

With virtually no difference between vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, there is virtually no reason to require healthy individuals to take an experimental emergency use drug to compete in DH racing.
Welcome to the party, Idaho. We knew you would not be far behind Florida!
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French folks. History is ripe with so many French failures and tactics. Come at me with ChonaFlu shot, mine is 9mm of prevention..shot for shot. Shame...
French folks. History is ripe with so many French failures and tactics. Come at me with ChonaFlu shot, mine is 9mm of prevention..shot for shot. Shame the US had to change the definition of "vaccine" for their deboggle and lies.

Lets go Brandon!
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Florida......

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So you decide to remove posts from trolls and people trying to stop the spread of misinformation alike? Shocked
we removed nothing. if you quote someone and they delete their post, your reply will be nuked, too.
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i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and...
i knew this post would be a shitshow, but i think this is an important piece of info for world cup racers to consider. media and team people, too.

quite frankly, i'm really surprised that anyone responds to trolls or argumentative people on either side of an opinion in an internet forum these days. the simpsons still say it best 27 years later. just don't look (if you don't look or respond, it means nothing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A

iRider wrote:
So you decide to remove posts from trolls and people trying to stop the spread of misinformation alike? Shocked
PisgahGnar wrote:
I think that guy just deleted all posts and his entire profile. So my responses to deleted posts also got deleted, I didn’t initially think it...
I think that guy just deleted all posts and his entire profile. So my responses to deleted posts also got deleted, I didn’t initially think it was anything malicious.
Probably because his claims about working in a clinic where they are fraudulently handing out vax cards and dumping the vaccine down the sink. Combine that with his 9mm threats and it would not be all that surprising if he was reported to the authorities. In FL they give you a medal of freedumb for that type of $hit.
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griz wrote:
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get...
Personally, I think it’s great. I wish the U.S. would lay down some authority too. There might be a few riders who opt not to get vaccinated, but I don’t think it will be any of the top contenders. Bring on the racing!
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Ah yes, don’t we all just yearn for an authoritarian dictatorship to keep us safe.
Govern me, daddy. Govern me harder.
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Low level exposure to Atrazine has been proven to change frog sexual orientation, so you probably owe Alex Jones an apology. The issue with the vaccine...
Low level exposure to Atrazine has been proven to change frog sexual orientation, so you probably owe Alex Jones an apology.

The issue with the vaccine is that it does not act as a vaccine at at - it does not prevent contraction of Covid nor does it prevent the spread of Covid; although it does seem to have a "perceived" slight reduction of symptoms of Covid, but having had Covid recently I can say that is false. So an unvaccinated vs. vaccinated person have roughly the same opportunities to spread, contract, be hospitalized, etc with the unvaccinated having the edge with a 100% immunity to unproven genetic modifying MRNA drugs (the results of which are locked until 2076). The vaccinated do, however, have a 0% chance of suing for said side effects as this is still an "emergency use only" drug.

With virtually no difference between vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, there is virtually no reason to require healthy individuals to take an experimental emergency use drug to compete in DH racing.
Get out of hear with your uncomfortable facts. I've heard all the different vaccines, made different ways and using different ingredients and different technologies, are all 100% safe and effective in exactly the same way and that's all I will ever believe. Please don't make me confront my beliefs, mods. Can we please just remove all the comments that go against the narrative?
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