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The reach is perfect. Who should ride a L or XL when even the Medium is that long? Also leaves room for a S or XXL.
Would like to have the raw frame in L !!!
I'd also like to see a slightly longer reach on the Large, My Spur is 480 and my Enduro is 487, it's hard for me to imagine a DH bike having a shorter reach than my Enduro.
- New Park bike with 180-190mm travel in the front, likely with mixed wheels
What are your thoughts?
A new Supreme SX would definitely be a nice thing.
As much as not everyone would like it, geo on any new bike is sure to be at least as long as any of their outgoing bikes, though I do thing we're reaching a point of diminishing returns with 480+ reaches on a size large
Maybe.
Steeper STA are actually latest development and simply a natural consequence of longer bikes and body position pushed forward.
Reach turned into n1 metric in bike geometry so it seems like everything else became irrelevant... But if you compare geometry numbers from years ago you'll notice that amids all of the longer/slackerHA/steeperSA changes one dimension didn't change much. Thats ETT, the one that actually matters while you sit. Body position has moved forward (longer reach, steeper SA), but the length of the bike while sitting down is not that different, althrough it feels different.
The reaches on DH bikes are actually catching up, for example canyon sender and spectral both have identical reaches on all sizes, thats nowadays fairly standard 460/485mm for M/L, but on the average they are still a bit shorter compared to enduro/trails bikes, would be interesting to know why is that...
In a sense, your instantaneous reach is the horizontal distance from the BB to the bars, and that gets longer as the front wheel drops relative to the back wheel; on flat ground, reach is one side of a right triangle formed by the BB and the bars, but it effectively becomes the hypotenuse of that triangle when BB and bars become level.
As for why DH bikes are shorter, it miiiiiiight have something to do with trail bikes actually being on the long side reach wise because of the cockpit constraints... After all, my 150 mm XL trailbike has an almost 1300 mm wheelbase, which is just 2 cm shorter than an XL V10 with a 3 cm longer reach value (and a similar rear centre).