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depeche4 12/18/2015 5:06pm
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SlalomSlayer wrote:
So MS Mondraker are now two riders less with Innes and Ragot gone, so who will fill the gap/s?
A little surprised that they might enter the season with just two riders. I thought that they would have
picked up Marine Cabirou. Junior Champ and crazy fast and rode their frame last year. Maybe her and her brother are a package deal?

If you read his instagram post, I get the feeling that the Innes thing just recently happened.

Maybe they can pick up Greenland?
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Big Bird 12/18/2015 6:53pm
12/18/2015 6:53pm Edited Date/Time 12/18/2015 6:58pm
LLLLL wrote:
http://thumbor-static.factorymedia.com/liAm-2TqiB1JrZQmkdDpxbok3BY=/120…

check out the counter rotating links.
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big money deal so Rob can retire?
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depeche4 12/18/2015 6:57pm
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LLLLL wrote:
http://thumbor-static.factorymedia.com/liAm-2TqiB1JrZQmkdDpxbok3BY=/120…

check out the counter rotating links.
Big Bird wrote:
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big...
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big money deal so Rob can retire?
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent.
It is like all those brands that used the "Specialized" patent. All they did was wait until it expired in the States.
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sspomer 12/18/2015 11:36pm
12/18/2015 11:36pm
NoahColorado wrote:
If you look really closly at the van in the background you can see a brand logo. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/12/18/3037/s1200_Loic_huffy.jpg[/img]
If you look really closly at the van in the background you can see a brand logo.


winner.
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tommi 12/18/2015 11:53pm
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NóiNPO wrote:
Can anybody [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/12/18/3035/s1200_Bruni_hallj.jpg[/img] guess the frame based upon this photo?
Can anybody

guess the frame based upon this photo?
The only thing you can really see is that the head tube is definitely tapered.

Norco and Giant come to mind...

The current Canyon Torques do not have such a head tube.
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tommi 12/18/2015 11:56pm
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tommi wrote:
The only thing you can really see is that the head tube is definitely tapered. Norco and Giant come to mind... The current Canyon Torques do...
The only thing you can really see is that the head tube is definitely tapered.

Norco and Giant come to mind...

The current Canyon Torques do not have such a head tube.
The Demo's head tube is not tapered but has a bit of a bulge in that area.
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nvb101 12/19/2015 12:18am
12/19/2015 12:18am Edited Date/Time 12/19/2015 12:25am
NóiNPO wrote:
Can anybody [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2015/12/18/3035/s1200_Bruni_hallj.jpg[/img] guess the frame based upon this photo?
Can anybody

guess the frame based upon this photo?
dh_nisse wrote:
whats up with the non red bull helmet?
Sunn like testing with telemetry french brand or canyon with Barel as team manager
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LLLLL 12/19/2015 2:11am
12/19/2015 2:11am Edited Date/Time 12/19/2015 2:13am
LLLLL wrote:
http://thumbor-static.factorymedia.com/liAm-2TqiB1JrZQmkdDpxbok3BY=/120…

check out the counter rotating links.
Big Bird wrote:
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big...
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big money deal so Rob can retire?
depeche4 wrote:
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent. It is like all...
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent.
It is like all those brands that used the "Specialized" patent. All they did was wait until it expired in the States.
Both pattents are up, check out the intense m16.
Also the dutch bought the entire company.
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Primoz 12/19/2015 7:04am
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Big Bird wrote:
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big...
Isn't that covered by the VPP patent? Or is VPP the new Horst Link? Or are they counter rotating the wrong way? I'm so confused. Big money deal so Rob can retire?
depeche4 wrote:
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent. It is like all...
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent.
It is like all those brands that used the "Specialized" patent. All they did was wait until it expired in the States.
LLLLL wrote:
Both pattents are up, check out the intense m16.
Also the dutch bought the entire company.
What does the private consortium from the Netherlands have anything to do with patents and their validity? Specialized also changed hands a couple of times while the horst link patent was still in play.

Intense BTW also uses the VPP suspension under licence and has done that for YEARS, it's not just the M16.
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LLLLL 12/19/2015 7:49am
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depeche4 wrote:
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent. It is like all...
I had a look on their web site. I see no North American sales. That might get them past the VPP patent.
It is like all those brands that used the "Specialized" patent. All they did was wait until it expired in the States.
LLLLL wrote:
Both pattents are up, check out the intense m16.
Also the dutch bought the entire company.
Primoz wrote:
What does the private consortium from the Netherlands have anything to do with patents and their validity? Specialized also changed hands a couple of times while...
What does the private consortium from the Netherlands have anything to do with patents and their validity? Specialized also changed hands a couple of times while the horst link patent was still in play.

Intense BTW also uses the VPP suspension under licence and has done that for YEARS, it's not just the M16.
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch up dude ;o)
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Big Bird 12/19/2015 8:25am
12/19/2015 8:25am Edited Date/Time 12/19/2015 8:26am
LLLLL wrote:
Both pattents are up, check out the intense m16.
Also the dutch bought the entire company.
Santa Cruz shared the patent with Intense (And no one else.) years ago when they first built the V10.
Jim-Laden 12/19/2015 8:36am
12/19/2015 8:36am Edited Date/Time 12/19/2015 8:47am
Did the bull get ripped by a monster ? (look at the pants)...
(Brunis pic)

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depeche4 12/19/2015 9:15am
12/19/2015 9:15am
LLLLL wrote:
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch...
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch up dude ;o)
The VPP just became "free" this past January. Patents can only be used in N.A. for 20 years. I remember reading that Santa Cruz did not even pay the fee's for the last VPP patent change, 6,488,301. That is for the counter rotating links from the newest version they produced. I think the Horst patent expired last fall. That is what my local Specialized dealer told me as he pointed me towards the Pivot's.
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JoeyHooo 12/19/2015 9:18am
12/19/2015 9:18am
Nope, it's just the design of the Vapor pant from One industries.
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YBO 12/19/2015 9:32am
12/19/2015 9:32am
YBO wrote:
Intense! Bruni Vergier
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12391188_474…
depeche4 wrote:
Interesting! And it is a 951 not a M16. When was the picture taken?
Nothing official, the picture come from Pure Agency Facebook page when Loïc and Loris visit Kevin Joly shop. Kevin is the mechanics for Loris and Finn.
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Primoz 12/19/2015 10:02am
12/19/2015 10:02am
LLLLL wrote:
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch...
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch up dude ;o)
Urlpls. For the VPP patent expiring.
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depeche4 12/19/2015 10:23am
12/19/2015 10:23am
LLLLL wrote:
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch...
Nothing. But both the frs and vvp pattents are free to use, the m16 is the first intense to not have vpp written on it. catch up dude ;o)
Primoz wrote:
Urlpls. For the VPP patent expiring.
http://www.patentbuddy.com/Patent/6488301
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Primoz 12/19/2015 10:29am
12/19/2015 10:29am
Ah, cool. This means that, more or less, you only have to be careful for the top link not to point towards the bottom one at the end of travel (the axis of the top link must not cross the axis of the bottom link between the two bearings, looking from the side view). That's the gist of it all in DW's patent.
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LTrumpore 12/20/2015 5:29am
12/20/2015 5:29am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2015 5:31am
Who Gwin is riding for might just be a lot more interesting Wink

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matt? 12/20/2015 6:22am
12/20/2015 6:22am
LTrumpore wrote:
Who Gwin is riding for might just be a lot more interesting Wink

No one dare say KTM

Who as opposed to what? So still on a demo but for, say, SRAM / Troy Lee or something similar?
Jim-Laden 12/20/2015 8:26am
12/20/2015 8:26am
Whiteley?!?!!?!?!!
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JoeyHooo 12/20/2015 11:22am
12/20/2015 11:22am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2015 11:23am
LTrumpore wrote:
Who Gwin is riding for might just be a lot more interesting Wink

matt? wrote:
No one dare say KTM

Who as opposed to what? So still on a demo but for, say, SRAM / Troy Lee or something similar?
Lot more Intenseinsting !?!? Why not, american brand with an american racer, who kow...
Hristo_Tanev 12/20/2015 1:54pm
12/20/2015 1:54pm
LTrumpore wrote:
Who Gwin is riding for might just be a lot more interesting Wink

Off the scale - Gwin riding for Audi supported team.
anotherbikerguy 12/20/2015 2:46pm
12/20/2015 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2015 3:54pm
Hot off the Gwinstagram:
fabdemaere 12/20/2015 8:04pm
12/20/2015 8:04pm
Gwin must be having so much fun reading all this stuff.
Oh, and Matt Walker is definitely riding a cube, check his Instagram.
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Eisma 12/20/2015 8:49pm
12/20/2015 8:49pm
Gwin is going full Enduro next year. hahaha probably not, but it would be cool to see him do a few Enduro series races in 2016.

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