2024 TEAM RUMORS

austin-NC
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12/15/2023 6:25am

Brook was pretty open about hating the old bike and this new prototype being a little better but he still didn't seem super thrilled with it. 

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12/15/2023 6:58am
austin-NC wrote:

Brook was pretty open about hating the old bike and this new prototype being a little better but he still didn't seem super thrilled with it. 

Wasn't brook the one on his knees, begging ms mondraker to take him back after his gt detour?

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12/15/2023 7:10am
manny.bike wrote:

Please not!! No one performed under monrdraker in the last year since dany and laurie, even with the new bike this year no improvements.

Maxipedia wrote:
I am not getting this hate, especially from us, who are obviously outside the racing field. It is impossible to judge what a good bike is...

I am not getting this hate, especially from us, who are obviously outside the racing field. It is impossible to judge what a good bike is and what not and especially what a good bike COULD be. How could we, with pretty much no inside knowledge, know that? Just by sheer assumption? Assumptions without solid information are most of the times logical errors. Having success takes a whole lot of ingredients, especially in something like DH racing. I guess sometimes being in the zone and fully motivated could mean more than having a ”good” bike, whatever that may be. Related to Mondraker, I think I saw that positive energy in Jacob Dickson, who was obviously pumped on riding, after being out at the beginning of the season. In order to be fair, we would need the opinion of the riders on the team and it's very little likely to get that, as most of them are diplomatic and try to keep good connections in the industry. And even then it's a question of what the measuring stick is. It's not like everybody has ridden all the bikes on the circuit and know how they ride with their specific tune to them. So there are a lot of variables and saying ”X bike is good and Y bike is bad, because of results” is skin deep, with all due respect.

Mx

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all...

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all across the World Cup. In fact, I would go as far as to say that, if frames were covered during tests, 99% of reviewers wouldn't be able to tell brands apart.

Mondraker haven't scored that much cuz their riders aren't Top 10, as simple as that.

Like Trummer on YT?

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12/15/2023 7:15am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2023 7:16am

My understanding was also that the MS Mondraker setup was closer to a privateer setup than a factory team. I seem to recall Jacob saying he just got a bike and transport.

I specifically remember Brook complaining about the short stem that Mondraker were pushing a few years ago, and that it took him half a season to realise he needed a standard 50mm. But other than that, he seemed to love the bike.

That could be wrong, but then again so is 99% of the thread.

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12/15/2023 7:54am
austin-NC wrote:

Brook was pretty open about hating the old bike and this new prototype being a little better but he still didn't seem super thrilled with it. 

fartsack wrote:

Wasn't brook the one on his knees, begging ms mondraker to take him back after his gt detour?

on his knees begging?
That's shitposting at it's worst.

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12/15/2023 8:54am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2023 4:00pm
Mugen wrote:
My understanding was also that the MS Mondraker setup was closer to a privateer setup than a factory team. I seem to recall Jacob saying he...

My understanding was also that the MS Mondraker setup was closer to a privateer setup than a factory team. I seem to recall Jacob saying he just got a bike and transport.

I specifically remember Brook complaining about the short stem that Mondraker were pushing a few years ago, and that it took him half a season to realise he needed a standard 50mm. But other than that, he seemed to love the bike.

That could be wrong, but then again so is 99% of the thread.

Interesting point you're making. I can't know how they were run exactly, but I remember MS has always had one of the fancier pits on the circuit, since as far as I can remember going to WorldCups pretty much; it really stands out. How that translates into having an operation closer or further to being a privateer, I have to clue. What I can think of is that you have some top tier riders who are getting decent money and others who are on the fringe of being on any team. Depends on what the market of each rider was when the contracts were signed. Some are on one year deals, some on multi-year; it's pretty fluid I suppose. I believe every team wants to have some established names that would guarantee them certain top 20 results, but then there is also the gamble on having someone who hasn't been great yet, but you'd like for him or she to make the breakthrough on your team and that always is a cool story, because everybody loves an underdog. I mean, look what some exposure did to Frotha's stock; you just can't not adore that dude! To finish my argument, it makes sense that you sign your established riders to multi years and the hopeful ones to season contracts.

Fingers crossed to all who hope to make a living out of racing; I hope you all do well and we'll see you on the circuit next season with the best support you can get. I root for you all!

Mx

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12/15/2023 8:54am
bizutch wrote:

on his knees begging?
That's shitposting at it's worst.

Look man, I love the bulldog, but he has been on record shit talking the GT bike as a piece of shit that no one could possibly win on and went back to Mondraker. Then in interviews, Mondraker was the bike that now, no one could be competitive on.

I really hope he finds something he gels with, because damn is he fun to watch ride a bike.

I'mma go watch Gamble now

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12/15/2023 9:14am
fartsack wrote:
tyler waites newest IG adition clearly says yeti

tyler waites newest IG adition clearly says yeti

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Yeah him vs asa next year is going to be very very exciting 

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12/15/2023 9:59am

Am I late to the party or is there something to read into about Brosnan not being at team camp with Luca, Henry Kerr, and Fabian Barel? Could he be off Canyon?

12/15/2023 10:15am
Am I late to the party or is there something to read into about Brosnan not being at team camp with Luca, Henry Kerr, and Fabian...

Am I late to the party or is there something to read into about Brosnan not being at team camp with Luca, Henry Kerr, and Fabian Barel? Could he be off Canyon?

I heard he was on SC

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12/15/2023 11:13am
Am I late to the party or is there something to read into about Brosnan not being at team camp with Luca, Henry Kerr, and Fabian...

Am I late to the party or is there something to read into about Brosnan not being at team camp with Luca, Henry Kerr, and Fabian Barel? Could he be off Canyon?

His last contract ran until 2022 with some good results. I doubt that he would only sign a one year deal after that for 2023. 

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12/15/2023 11:13am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2023 12:36pm
 

 

Ronan is moving on....

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12/15/2023 11:34am
hunty wrote:
    Ronan is moving on....
 

 

Ronan is moving on....

So ya don't have to click... 

 

 

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12/15/2023 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/15/2023 12:37pm

I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

Mondaker

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12/15/2023 12:29pm
bizutch wrote:
I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

Mondaker

This is rumors, noone likes solid sources 

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12/15/2023 12:38pm
bizutch wrote:
I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

Mondaker

tullie wrote:

This is rumors, noone likes solid sources 

Fixed it

 

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12/15/2023 1:29pm

Re Brosnan: I don't know his situation, but here is my hypothesis.

He's newly married, has a hobby farm with horses and cool shit and it's Summer Holidays here in Aus (Everyone stops working for a month lol) It's 35 degrees every day, the suns out, the beach is ready and the beers are cold!

Last thing I'd want to do now is head on a 24 hour flight back to Europe on the covid tin can, shiver my balls off in some French ski village away from your loved ones when he could be eating Prawns and smashing beers on the back deck!

It's bikes, he's good at it. Hop back on the DH bike closer to the season.

now excuse me while I crack a beer, it's too hot!

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12/15/2023 1:56pm
brash wrote:
Re Brosnan: I don't know his situation, but here is my hypothesis. He's newly married, has a hobby farm with horses and cool shit and it's...

Re Brosnan: I don't know his situation, but here is my hypothesis.

He's newly married, has a hobby farm with horses and cool shit and it's Summer Holidays here in Aus (Everyone stops working for a month lol) It's 35 degrees every day, the suns out, the beach is ready and the beers are cold!

Last thing I'd want to do now is head on a 24 hour flight back to Europe on the covid tin can, shiver my balls off in some French ski village away from your loved ones when he could be eating Prawns and smashing beers on the back deck!

It's bikes, he's good at it. Hop back on the DH bike closer to the season.

now excuse me while I crack a beer, it's too hot!

Seems like Minnar was on a similar plan for years. Worked for him. 

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12/15/2023 2:22pm
manny.bike wrote:

Please not!! No one performed under monrdraker in the last year since dany and laurie, even with the new bike this year no improvements.

Maxipedia wrote:
I am not getting this hate, especially from us, who are obviously outside the racing field. It is impossible to judge what a good bike is...

I am not getting this hate, especially from us, who are obviously outside the racing field. It is impossible to judge what a good bike is and what not and especially what a good bike COULD be. How could we, with pretty much no inside knowledge, know that? Just by sheer assumption? Assumptions without solid information are most of the times logical errors. Having success takes a whole lot of ingredients, especially in something like DH racing. I guess sometimes being in the zone and fully motivated could mean more than having a ”good” bike, whatever that may be. Related to Mondraker, I think I saw that positive energy in Jacob Dickson, who was obviously pumped on riding, after being out at the beginning of the season. In order to be fair, we would need the opinion of the riders on the team and it's very little likely to get that, as most of them are diplomatic and try to keep good connections in the industry. And even then it's a question of what the measuring stick is. It's not like everybody has ridden all the bikes on the circuit and know how they ride with their specific tune to them. So there are a lot of variables and saying ”X bike is good and Y bike is bad, because of results” is skin deep, with all due respect.

Mx

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all...

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all across the World Cup. In fact, I would go as far as to say that, if frames were covered during tests, 99% of reviewers wouldn't be able to tell brands apart.

Mondraker haven't scored that much cuz their riders aren't Top 10, as simple as that.

so frames are not rocket science because it is only about geometry- is that about right? What about kinematics or how components work with the frame such as suspension.

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12/15/2023 2:32pm

Like Trummer on YT?

I'm looking at his resume on Roots right nowHis peak seems to happened in 2019, with three straight top 10. Between 2021 and 2022, when he goes to Mondraker I don't see much of a change, he's hoovering between 10/20 as per usual. 2023 is a different story since he had a very complicated spinal surgery at the start of the season.

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12/15/2023 2:37pm
Maxipedia wrote:
I am not getting this hate, especially from us, who are obviously outside the racing field. It is impossible to judge what a good bike is...

I am not getting this hate, especially from us, who are obviously outside the racing field. It is impossible to judge what a good bike is and what not and especially what a good bike COULD be. How could we, with pretty much no inside knowledge, know that? Just by sheer assumption? Assumptions without solid information are most of the times logical errors. Having success takes a whole lot of ingredients, especially in something like DH racing. I guess sometimes being in the zone and fully motivated could mean more than having a ”good” bike, whatever that may be. Related to Mondraker, I think I saw that positive energy in Jacob Dickson, who was obviously pumped on riding, after being out at the beginning of the season. In order to be fair, we would need the opinion of the riders on the team and it's very little likely to get that, as most of them are diplomatic and try to keep good connections in the industry. And even then it's a question of what the measuring stick is. It's not like everybody has ridden all the bikes on the circuit and know how they ride with their specific tune to them. So there are a lot of variables and saying ”X bike is good and Y bike is bad, because of results” is skin deep, with all due respect.

Mx

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all...

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all across the World Cup. In fact, I would go as far as to say that, if frames were covered during tests, 99% of reviewers wouldn't be able to tell brands apart.

Mondraker haven't scored that much cuz their riders aren't Top 10, as simple as that.

GeorgJung wrote:
so frames are not rocket science because it is only about geometry- is that about right? What about kinematics or how components work with the frame...

so frames are not rocket science because it is only about geometry- is that about right? What about kinematics or how components work with the frame such as suspension.

It's still not rocket science, no matter how much we love to think it is- and I need about them as much as anyone else. Save for extreme choices like Unno most frames are pretty similar in geometry, and most of the are prototypes anyway with a wide range of adjustment. You could go to a different team and still have the same bike as last year, geometry wise...

Could Brook jump a few spots on the board with a different bike? Maybe, but he's no making podiums, no matter the bike, be it a V10 or a Demo

 

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12/15/2023 3:09pm
Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all...

Agree, I don't think  bikes play that big of a role. I mean, frames are not rocket science and, in general, geometries are pretty similar all across the World Cup. In fact, I would go as far as to say that, if frames were covered during tests, 99% of reviewers wouldn't be able to tell brands apart.

Mondraker haven't scored that much cuz their riders aren't Top 10, as simple as that.

GeorgJung wrote:
so frames are not rocket science because it is only about geometry- is that about right? What about kinematics or how components work with the frame...

so frames are not rocket science because it is only about geometry- is that about right? What about kinematics or how components work with the frame such as suspension.

It's still not rocket science, no matter how much we love to think it is- and I need about them as much as anyone else. Save...

It's still not rocket science, no matter how much we love to think it is- and I need about them as much as anyone else. Save for extreme choices like Unno most frames are pretty similar in geometry, and most of the are prototypes anyway with a wide range of adjustment. You could go to a different team and still have the same bike as last year, geometry wise...

Could Brook jump a few spots on the board with a different bike? Maybe, but he's no making podiums, no matter the bike, be it a V10 or a Demo

 

Ha! No two bikes are the same, even if both have similar geometry. Yeah, it may not be literal rocket science, but there is definitely a lot of science (engineering) that goes into developing a bike. In the PB podcast Brook said he felt great on the bike but the limits of the bike were not competitive with other bikes in the DH WC races. He continues, he felt super sketchy when surpassing the limits of the bike in trying to keep up with other racers. That says a lot! If Brook gets into a new frame that he feels comfortable pushing the limits on, he will start being a consistent name in the finals. Hopefully, he gets what he needs to perform in 2024 regardless if its Mondraker or not.

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12/15/2023 3:14pm
bizutch wrote:
I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

I have an incredibly bipolar, delusional & maliciously unreliable quasi-source:

Mondaker

Maliciously unreliable.  Fascinating. 👍👍

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12/15/2023 3:30pm

Everybody: "It's the rider, not the bike" 

Also everybody: "Rider X's results sucked when they were on brand X because that bike sucked"

Back to team rumors: A particular 2023 Spanish team rider discussed in recent posts, may be spending a lot more time in the land of freedumb. Specifically, in an area (regionally) known for it's extra large heaping portion of freedumb (which was still not enough for a certain rider because other states have way morerer freedumb). 

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12/15/2023 3:46pm

I’m surprised to see a guy leave a team of his own accord - which is how Ronan has presented this. The upside is that there are still teams making strong offers to riders out there apparently. 

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12/15/2023 4:47pm

One team flying under the radar with an open spot(s) is Rockshox - Trek. With Vali going to YT it’s either find a rider or two or fold the team. Can’t see them carrying on with just Tegan Cruz. Could see them going for Dak if he was leaving Intense. Plan B Ollie Davis and Ethan Craik? 

 

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12/15/2023 4:48pm
brash wrote:
Re Brosnan: I don't know his situation, but here is my hypothesis. He's newly married, has a hobby farm with horses and cool shit and it's...

Re Brosnan: I don't know his situation, but here is my hypothesis.

He's newly married, has a hobby farm with horses and cool shit and it's Summer Holidays here in Aus (Everyone stops working for a month lol) It's 35 degrees every day, the suns out, the beach is ready and the beers are cold!

Last thing I'd want to do now is head on a 24 hour flight back to Europe on the covid tin can, shiver my balls off in some French ski village away from your loved ones when he could be eating Prawns and smashing beers on the back deck!

It's bikes, he's good at it. Hop back on the DH bike closer to the season.

now excuse me while I crack a beer, it's too hot!

dang dude my eyes glazed over reading this...i'm feeling it!

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12/15/2023 5:02pm
BGoldstone wrote:
One team flying under the radar with an open spot(s) is Rockshox - Trek. With Vali going to YT it’s either find a rider or two...

One team flying under the radar with an open spot(s) is Rockshox - Trek. With Vali going to YT it’s either find a rider or two or fold the team. Can’t see them carrying on with just Tegan Cruz. Could see them going for Dak if he was leaving Intense. Plan B Ollie Davis and Ethan Craik? 

 

Doubt we'll see any big name brought into that SRAM/Trek team unless Trek kicks in more money. ... The SRAM/Rockshox money will follow Vali to YT and the extra (if any) will probably go to Minnaar on Norco. 

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12/15/2023 6:48pm
piggy wrote:
I’m surprised to see a guy leave a team of his own accord - which is how Ronan has presented this. The upside is that there...

I’m surprised to see a guy leave a team of his own accord - which is how Ronan has presented this. The upside is that there are still teams making strong offers to riders out there apparently. 

Will there even be a nukeproof team next year?

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