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I've been enjoying my Stumpy 15 alloy in its latest iteration quite a bit the past few months, so I figured a mid-year check-in was in store to run through what I've thought of the bike and the parts I'm currently testing.

Genius! I shrink wrap the shit out of everything I can, but this application didn't cross my mind.

Haha, not your conversation, just my own issues. Sorry if it came across like a grumpy old man 😂 No tokens always seems like the logical place to start for me. Don’t add them unless you find that you need them. I’m a big fan of the MRP ramp cartridge personally.

They lost the best damn part about the pedals, which is it being empty in the middle. Can't even copy it right, smdh

FAFO might finally get to them because Outlier has a patent on drop pedals 🍿

The only positive thing to say ist they have good taste in the products they copy. But crazy shameless

Why? The hole is their second best feature, it makes them super comfortable and grippy. Also, fuck lewis.

I've really enjoyed the in depth discussion about sag

Yup this is a great method - the only thing extra I would add is maybe more of a technical/damper design quirk but if in doubt with HSR, go on the slower end of their range and just use the LSR to tune for you rebound feel. It normally has heaps of range and makes it much less confusing. HSR adjusters are often extremely sensitive to tolerance so -4 on one damper could be the same as -6 on another, but that can normally be corrected with 1 click of LSR so its much easier to make sure its on...

My recommendation would be to pull all of the volume spacers out and increase the spring rate (air pressure). That will give you more support and keep likely reduce harshness by keeping you out of the ramp up. Keeping the fork higher in travel also improves off the top feel since you are more often in the top of travel rather than bouncing off the progression. You'll likely need to revisit damping settings too with the new air pressure.

So many factors influence correct spring rate for any given rider/terrain/bike combo, like steep or flat terrain, progressive or linear leverage rate, flat pedals or clips, long legs/short torso (rearward COG) or short legs/long torso (forward COG), preferred reach length relative to height (again, short reach/tall person will have a rearward COG, whereas long reach/short person will have a forward COG). But I think 25-30% sag is a great starting point for all bikes. By always starting with 25 or 30% sag, over time you'll discover whether you're the sort of rider who consistently prefers more sag than recommended or...

I've tried to avoid getting sucked into this conversation but I'll add my 2c worth: Having a good initial spring rate (sag) is essential for the rest of the setup steps to proceed correctly for the average user. The sag IMO is not a be all and end all, but you need to be within +/- 5% of the correct spring rate for your weight as a starting point, as long as you are withing that area, the dials can compensate somewhat for the slight margin of error. From there on you need to adjust to your preferences, but at...

We talked about this in the Tech Rumors thread, but getting more power to the pedals is almost the entire ball game in XC racing, and the main benefit of a lower stack height and more hunched over body position in XC racing is the kinesthetically optimized position for mashing the pedals. Easier to mash the pedals when you’re bunched up in a little ball. Speeds are lower than road racing, so being hunched over for aerodynamics is less important.

Yeah thats pretty much what I was going to say! When they say to start with "sag" I think they are just meaning to set the spring rate full stop, in whatever method so its at least in the ballpark. ie not just bolting it on with whatever spring or pressure it had in the box. And I always like to work through spring rate first - find the point which is definitely too stiff and too soft and then work back in from there. Its amazing how often the "sag" can seem about right and not obviously too stiff...