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Are you sure it's not a rebadged Intense?

Every time I see a new flat pedal come to market I almost go blind from eye-rolling.

You mean to tell me Black Market is still a functioning, operating manufacturer?

The parameters for my list were they had to make a legit, full suspension, non-e-bike frame.

The info (a zesty blend of hearsay and conjecture) I have is that they have a staggering amount of excess inventory to work through, and that they're trying to get shops to book lots of stuff, but most aren't willing to do it, since they can't sell the stock they have. For shops willing to book, deep discounts on 2022 and 2023 product are available. Is Trek going under? Unlikely. They don't have a PE firm breathing down their neck, looking for inflated COVID returns.

bronson frame only, 7.7k........ based on other brands here, thats absurd pricing.

Such a waste of so much hard work and so many good ideas. And people. BOOOOOO!!!

Holy crap, that is crazy. It's literally the entire company minus the employees and the actual building. Raw carbon fiber and aluminum included....like they just locked the door after work one day and said "shows over". Kind of eerie.

If they re-vamped the titan, it would be very high on my next bike list

Thats an interesting one, but Keith has been pretty open about the brand and surely has an account here as well (he answers customer questions on some other forums, not sure if mtbr or nsmb, but one of those) and always said they keep everything pretty minimum and optimised and there are like 5 people empoyed by Banshee in total. And IIRC they operate in batches so they dont order a lot of bikes to be kept in storage which reduces the risk. They have been around for a long time too so they must have been through thick and...

Working for a business that traditionally supplies product to Wiggle, yes.

I've had Kona on my watch list. The abrupt pivot away from IBD's to D2C signaled, to me, that they felt they needed the revenue fast. Problem is their pricing still follows IBD levels. The other 'big' brand that I've been concerned about is Marin. Anytime someone does a BOGO you have to wonder. I think the other big players have enough resources and a big enough market share to ride out the next 18-24 months. It won't be pretty (layoffs, reduced product selection, etc) but they'll still be around when things get back to normal. The smaller operations should...

Well that's going to make this wheel set hard to sell. Anyone want some 29" ridefast mainlines? Thanks for the update.

Did the death of RideFast get announced publicly? Looks like their Shopify site is no longer around.

same company that started doing sales in the middle of season and every dealer needed to lower their prices too?

Having stock is great, unless you can't move it. I think Trek has a lot of "dusty" inventory, and as they keep releasing new models, the old stuff has to be sold at a reduced margin. If Evil sold through all of their product, there is probably enough demand that they can easily sell new stuff when it arrives.

Interesting about Commencal and Trek having tons of stock (new and old models on sale side by side) then looking at Evils website- almost nothing in stock. What position is worse at this point?

This thread is why I keep coming back to vital. Honest thoughtful discussion and no sidetracks or anger. Talking with my local shops, unless you have money saved and CRUSH it on getting labor through the door...it's rough. Funny enough the small mom-and-pop shop that still feels like it's in the 90s and never stopped selling family bikes seems to be killing it. They are always 1+ week out on service and don't seem to spread thin. Maybe that cool new 'core' shop just doesn't cut it.

I'd been working in IDB's for 20 years and just needed a job through the lockdown- I thought, 'how bad could it be?'. I found out.

"Pulling sales out of the future and into the present." I was actually sitting around a campfire on a riding trip this past weekend and said almost the same thing to my riding buddies. The way I see it, on a micro-level with the riders in my local area, a good portion of people I saw getting new bikes during the pandemic were probably going to get bikes or upgrade their bike in the next 1-2 years but working from home and the increased leisure time that came along with it led to people making their purchases 6-12 months earlier...