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I should have written „for a whole ride“. Your post sounds a bit harsh imho. ;-) And no doubt, there are people who ride their emtbs like regular bikes. And folks who can ride (again) because of emtbs. Cool! And I don’t even judge, as long as people enjoy emtbing, I am happy. Regular bikers can also be fun OR problematic, no worries. But to me it feels more and more like a different sport. It’s not biking it’s biking with a motor… If I am on an emtb, I sure ride differently. And most bikers who were bikers before...

I think that's sort of the point, the only metric anyone cares about is the motor. The essence of riding an eBike is what the motor gives you. The rest of the "bike" part takes a back seat. And no one seems to care, even though the slippery slope foreboding was waved away as an irrational fear

Sir Chris Hoy would like a word. As would many many other world class sprinters. At least do a quick google search before you post.

Stablead is the one I was thinking of.

@jeff.brines In terms of a higher level industry question, I'd love to know if (off the record), US and European bike brands view themselves as under threat by Chinese brands like Amflow and that other company whose name slips me showing off proto frames, suspension, and brakes. The vertical integration threat seems real in this thread but I wonder if the brands see it yet.

Spot on Costs more than a YZ250, but a YZ250 I can take it in the woods or on the track and thrash it to within an inch of its life. Maybe even blow it up. But if that happens Sunday I can have the parts on the way to my front door that Monday and rebuild it myself or take it to any number of shops. And those parts should be available for five years. Long enough for a reasonable amortization of the original cost. Until e-bikes have similar I’m not interested.

This is a very old TQ motor though, the HPR 120S is at the very least 6 years old: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/tq-hpr-120s-2020-review/ If TQ are to drop anything new in the +100Nm/1000W range, I'd expect it to be much smaller/lighter.

We built this one! It's a Mattoc Expert 🙃

That makes a lot of sense, I appreciate that. I have been doing this so long I forget sometimes, honestly. I guerrilla marketed One Ghost Industries for the better part of 10 years and never got any flack for it. Different times now and I know I am a bit out of touch. I also don't have a lot of free time to spend in the forums, which sucks all the way around. Two jobs and a family with two younger kids each with an autoimmune disease (on top of my own health issues) makes it difficult. I also haven't...

Static and dynamic climbing rope also comes to mind. Hanging on the two ropes, loads are the same, as a freebody diagram would suggest. A 40' whiper on a dynamic rope is survivable, maybe even fun. 40' whiper on a static rope is a potentially life ending event, both for you and the rope. Something to be said for slowing down the acceleration over a bit of time.

We are Oso close to getting a full 29 HD6/HD7...

David , maybe because you are just posting pics with little to no context?

New Saint and XT flats. https://bike.shimano.com/stories/article/thin-for-the-win.html