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Goose80 wrote:
There is a huge amount of CNC machine work in Taiwan/China. It's also possible to have complex items as part of larger orders. Not everything has...

There is a huge amount of CNC machine work in Taiwan/China. It's also possible to have complex items as part of larger orders. Not everything has to be done in the USA.

I don't have a full steerer, it's similar to the intend fork with a nub sitting into the bearing and a bolt through to preload

I would say the cost everywhere else than china is at least double of your stated number, 

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An interesting move from RockShox? (They also bought the Kashima coating or is this RS' old Titanium Nitride coating?)Source: https://en.brujulabike.com/new-rock-shox-xco-fork-golden-bars-prototype/

An interesting move from RockShox? (They also bought the Kashima coating or is this RS' old Titanium Nitride coating?)

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Source: https://en.brujulabike.com/new-rock-shox-xco-fork-golden-bars-prototype/

Just because it‘s gold doesn‘t make it Kashima. If it would say Kashima on there it is.

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10/6/2024 1:15pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2024 1:17pm
zscs wrote:
An interesting move from RockShox? (They also bought the Kashima coating or is this RS' old Titanium Nitride coating?)Source: https://en.brujulabike.com/new-rock-shox-xco-fork-golden-bars-prototype/

An interesting move from RockShox? (They also bought the Kashima coating or is this RS' old Titanium Nitride coating?)

drc01620-drc01620-1000.jpg?VersionId=GiK

Source: https://en.brujulabike.com/new-rock-shox-xco-fork-golden-bars-prototype/

Basically whats old is new again, RS used to have goldish stanchions anyways, then in 2001 they came out with a Ti Nitride as you mentioned but it was rubbish and flaked off, they also have gold legs on a Psylo this was 23 years ago before Fox even had a fork im pretty sure. They do say that plagiarism is the highest form of flattery. 

RS-GOLD 0

 

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They’re just giving gold stanchions to their World Champs.

It’s that simple, no conspiracy. Just gold for gold.

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TimBud wrote:

They’re just giving gold stanchions to their World Champs.

It’s that simple, no conspiracy. Just gold for gold.

Now if they would bring back the old “Boxxer” and totem graphics on the stanchions we would all be happy again. But seriously. Can companies start doing fun things again? Spiral fork stanchion graphics or something just different?  

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10/7/2024 7:07am

What are the similarities and differences between the E13 sidekick and the WRProducts DTSwiss 0 drag internals? If this has been covered feel free to flog me. 

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10/7/2024 8:20am
RaggedEdge wrote:
What are the similarities and differences between the E13 sidekick and the WRProducts DTSwiss 0 drag internals? If this has been covered feel free to flog...

What are the similarities and differences between the E13 sidekick and the WRProducts DTSwiss 0 drag internals? If this has been covered feel free to flog me. 

Yeah I'd love an explainer of these too. It sounds like the WRP thing requires you to backpedal briefly to engage a freecoaster mode? 

 

"Zero Drag" DT Swiss Internals — Williams Racing Products

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10/7/2024 11:36am

Those are two different things. 

WRP 0 drag mod is exactly what it was designed for; zero drag free coasting. It was designed to reduce rolling resistance. When you backpedal, it moves the DT ratchets apart so they are no longer dragging. When you pedal forward it re-engages them so you can pedal. WRP themselves mentioned it was not designed around pedal kickback nor is it out there to challenge devices like OChain. Quote from them: "pedal kickback and pedalling are the same thing just inverse; so if you can pedal it won’t eliminate pedal kickback. But we’re working on another device for thT"

E13 sidekick on the other hand is designed specifically to reduce pedal kickback. You don't choose between a pedal or coast mode. Your pawls are still dragging.

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10/7/2024 12:17pm

Interesting and thx for the good descriptions. I hope this stuff keeps coming!

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10/7/2024 5:32pm

Looks to be two new bikes coming from Polygon based on Dan Wolfes instagram. Looks like they’re making a carbon version of the colossus enduro bike (which might bring the complete weight below 40lbs lol). And a new carbon framed e-bike using a new version of polygons 6-bar linkage. Looks to be using a Bosch motor based off some of his POV footage and will presumably use the new Bosch gen5 motor. 
Pics: (e-bike is the black bike, Carbon colossus is the white one)IMG 3150IMG 3151IMG 3152

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10/7/2024 6:33pm

Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix!

 

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Not really rumor but some pretty cool innovation in the pinkbike / pivot video on their new bike. It is amazing to see the resources and support put into a program that produces the bike that they will most likely sell the least units of. It is also amazing to see the support and trust Pivot puts in BK and how much the rely on his racing program to develop the bikes and technology.

From my understanding it takes about 2 years to go from design lock to production molds to bikes on the shelf. So when the pivot team started racing the lugged prototype they were already at least a year into the bikes development I bet.
 

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TannerVal wrote:
Looks to be two new bikes coming from Polygon based on Dan Wolfes instagram. Looks like they’re making a carbon version of the colossus enduro bike...

Looks to be two new bikes coming from Polygon based on Dan Wolfes instagram. Looks like they’re making a carbon version of the colossus enduro bike (which might bring the complete weight below 40lbs lol). And a new carbon framed e-bike using a new version of polygons 6-bar linkage. Looks to be using a Bosch motor based off some of his POV footage and will presumably use the new Bosch gen5 motor. 
Pics: (e-bike is the black bike, Carbon colossus is the white one)IMG 3150IMG 3151IMG 3152

Still a linkage driven 4 bar? 

10/8/2024 2:06am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2024 2:06am

A new Rocky seems to be on the way, should be realeased in 1-2 weeks (info from local retailer's instagram). I guess a new powerplay (?)

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Nico_Hrndz wrote:

A new Rocky seems to be on the way, should be realeased in 1-2 weeks (info from local retailer's instagram). I guess a new powerplay (?)

rocky instinct with motor, lite e-bike. still with rocky motor.

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10/8/2024 6:21am
TannerVal wrote:
Looks to be two new bikes coming from Polygon based on Dan Wolfes instagram. Looks like they’re making a carbon version of the colossus enduro bike...

Looks to be two new bikes coming from Polygon based on Dan Wolfes instagram. Looks like they’re making a carbon version of the colossus enduro bike (which might bring the complete weight below 40lbs lol). And a new carbon framed e-bike using a new version of polygons 6-bar linkage. Looks to be using a Bosch motor based off some of his POV footage and will presumably use the new Bosch gen5 motor. 
Pics: (e-bike is the black bike, Carbon colossus is the white one)IMG 3150IMG 3151IMG 3152

Primoz wrote:

Still a linkage driven 4 bar? 

Correct terms… please. We must be proper

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Oh crab, forgot about it, help me out on the correct term? Previously someone called it a sex bar. 

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Primoz wrote:

Oh crab, forgot about it, help me out on the correct term? Previously someone called it a sex bar. 

If that's deliberate, your typo is brilliant! Grinning

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Sadly it's not a Freudian slip 😂

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10/8/2024 6:46am

Chinese OEM WheelTop acquires majority stake in Rotor

https://bikebiz.com/chinese-oem-wheeltop-acquires-majority-stake-in-rotor/

https://wheeltop.com/

https://rotorbike.com/

I won't be surprised if there will be better solutions from Rotor/Wheel top in the future, and collab between them.

But current Wheeltop solution doesn't look good IMO, no spare battery, the remote doesn't look like a good solution, no matchmaker clamp, but their own. So I'm not sold on it yet.

 

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Lacanuck24 wrote:
Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix! 

Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix!

 

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it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so that shimano doesn‘t crap their pants.

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Lacanuck24 wrote:
Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix! 

Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix!

 

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krabo83 wrote:
it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so...

it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so that shimano doesn‘t crap their pants.

There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):

I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis cranks.

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TimBud wrote:
There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis...

There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):

I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis cranks.

i guess the promo pics for the bike release are at least months older then MSA, so those saint cranks might be pretty new.

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10/8/2024 8:36am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2024 8:37am
Nico_Hrndz wrote:

A new Rocky seems to be on the way, should be realeased in 1-2 weeks (info from local retailer's instagram). I guess a new powerplay (?)

fartsack wrote:

rocky instinct with motor, lite e-bike. still with rocky motor.

I would say another brand releasing an SL version of their preexisting trail bike is inherently not interesting except I am interested to see what the SL system is going to look like coming out of Quebec. 

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10/8/2024 10:01am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2024 10:12am
Lacanuck24 wrote:
Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix! 

Sweet "Saint" crank on the team bikes. Easy upgrade for those who want the full factory spec on their new Phoenix!

 

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krabo83 wrote:
it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so...

it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so that shimano doesn‘t crap their pants.

TimBud wrote:
There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis...

There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):

I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis cranks.

I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint crank came. I forgot which bike, but probably saw it in this thread.

At first I didn't find it at first. But found it here: The crank seems to be Race Face Atlas but with a sticker, you can see it's a sticker if you pixel peep.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/chris-cocalis-chats-about-pivots-prototype-dh-bike.html

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krabo83 wrote:
it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so...

it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so that shimano doesn‘t crap their pants.

TimBud wrote:
There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis...

There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):

I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis cranks.

mtbboy1993 wrote:
I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint...

I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint crank came. I forgot which bike, but probably saw it in this thread.

At first I didn't find it at first. But found it here: The crank seems to be Race Face Atlas but with a sticker, you can see it's a sticker if you pixel peep.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/chris-cocalis-chats-about-pivots-prototype-dh-bike.html

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I recall Shimano was not stoked on this and had a crankset made soon after for the end of last season. Seems they didn't have them available for the photoshoot back in July as they were still racing on the proto bikes up until last weekend. 

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10/8/2024 3:42pm
krabo83 wrote:
it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so...

it has been mentioned that those with the saint sticker are the team bikes of the factory riders, that‘s why they have the sticker on so that shimano doesn‘t crap their pants.

TimBud wrote:
There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis...

There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):

I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis cranks.

mtbboy1993 wrote:
I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint...

I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint crank came. I forgot which bike, but probably saw it in this thread.

At first I didn't find it at first. But found it here: The crank seems to be Race Face Atlas but with a sticker, you can see it's a sticker if you pixel peep.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/chris-cocalis-chats-about-pivots-prototype-dh-bike.html

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Greenland was running hope cranks!

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10/8/2024 3:57pm

Here we are thinking that Shimano is releasing the new Saint cranks soon. But what they are actually going to sell us is a “Saint” sticker to slap on a crank of our choice for $300. Modern Problems. Modern Solutions. 

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TimBud wrote:
There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis...

There's actually a proper Shimano one (See MSA Pit Bits):

I guess there's not enough of them so they just slapped a sticker on the production Praxis cranks.

mtbboy1993 wrote:
I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint...

I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint crank came. I forgot which bike, but probably saw it in this thread.

At first I didn't find it at first. But found it here: The crank seems to be Race Face Atlas but with a sticker, you can see it's a sticker if you pixel peep.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/chris-cocalis-chats-about-pivots-prototype-dh-bike.html

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David9180 wrote:
Greenland was running hope cranks!

Greenland was running hope cranks!

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IIRC that was because he wanted 155mm (or maybe 150s?) and Shimano didn't have anything that short...

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10/8/2024 7:34pm
mtbboy1993 wrote:
I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint...

I remember seeing Race Face Atlas cranks with Saint sticker. I guess they used what ever they had their hands on until the actual new Saint crank came. I forgot which bike, but probably saw it in this thread.

At first I didn't find it at first. But found it here: The crank seems to be Race Face Atlas but with a sticker, you can see it's a sticker if you pixel peep.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/chris-cocalis-chats-about-pivots-prototype-dh-bike.html

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David9180 wrote:
Greenland was running hope cranks!

Greenland was running hope cranks!

IMG 4938 0
dolface wrote:

IIRC that was because he wanted 155mm (or maybe 150s?) and Shimano didn't have anything that short...

As a short crank guy who likes affordable shimano cranks i hope the new saint has some shorter options.

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