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So...is ARI Bikes just KHS re-structured? Nic, Kailey, etc all on the brand now & KHS site is fairly terminal.
So it seems like he is definitely implying that rumors exist, perhaps started by other people who may be jealous, but it is a lie? I am quite skeptical just because it is a huge move to cut bait completely. Like I would imagine Canyon would not release him right now without good reason.
With that being said, any NBA fans remember Ime Udoka getting bounced from the Celtics and initially the reports were it is ghastly. Two years later, it seems he just slept with the wrong person's wife consensually and got run out of town because the person wanted him gone, and the players were not satisfied. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10077006-woj-celtics-locker-room-ne…
I am not saying I think Thibaut is an everyday philanderer and innocent, but I will say the rumor mill can go to darker places than the truth, and institutions can be cautious. This is all to provide counterweight to my instinct that there is some actually shady stuff there if he is gone. We will see.
It's not a good look. The job is brand ambassador. Say you find yourself the respondent to a claim of sexual violence and you are totally flabbergasted. However your sponsors, your team mates, your competitors, fans of your sport -- everybody -- they inhabit a world where sexual violence is more pervasive than many are willing to believe, where claimants have been met with hostility from peers, organizations, and random members of the public who for all their different reasons have wanted to quash claimants' stories. You live in a world where mistakes happen but all the available evidence strongly supports the idea that intentional false claims of sexual violence are rare. So even on the day you are shocked to find yourself respondent to a claim of sexual violence, you might want to acknowledge that you live in the same world as all the people it is a pro racer's profession to be able to connect with. Playing the victim, centering oneself in the story amidst an unnamed conspiracy trying to ruin your reputation for unknown reasons, blaming the social media networks that on any other day your viability as a brand ambassador is built on, threatening to sue anyone who writes something you don't like? When being mentioned in media is your job? They're the same moves that set the bad conditions (hostility toward claimants, disbelief, underreporting, retaliation) everyone out in the real world is facing on the day before you found out you were the respondent to claim of sexual violence. You can be surprised, worried, angry, have a whole gamut of emotions and questions, but you're going to be judged for your actions and how they look vis-a-vis your profession of pro athlete, which only makes money if it makes people feel good by association with you and the sport. Getting the same slimy legal counsel/public relations and doing just what countless actual abusers have done is not going to promote a positive outcome for anybody you'd want to be associated with.
The adverse publicity just from the allegation may have been enough for them to let him go.
I would have thought he would've been charged by now if the police (and the prosecution service) believed there was a case, seeing as this goes all the way back to last summer. From what I've seen he hasn't been, although I don't know if laws on confidentiality are different in France to the UK. I say this because a guy I know was falsely accused of rape, was charged and named by the press within a couple of weeks of the accusation. Charges were then dropped due to his accuser admitting she'd lied just before it went to court (it still ruined his life though, over 10 years later some people still say there's no smoke without fire).
I'm in no way defending Daprela, just trying to keep an open mind at this point. Do people who are stating he's a rapist know it for a fact, or have they just based it on comments they've seen on social media?
get your popcorn as pinkbike got a little derailed thread on pompon article ; )
This starts to be a bit of witch hunt. No one knows anything but everyone is already a judge. Maybe time to move on. As posted above, France has a strong law system and if there was a crime committed, it will be prosecuted.
This is all true, but sexual assault is a crime that is famously hard to prosecute, at least in the US. Not sure about France, but it would not surprise me.
no, though Nic and Kailey came from KHS, ARI is the re-brand of Fezzari bikes. The ARI team has nothing to do with KHS, they have a different team this season. This is fully ARI bikes based (including team management etc.)
Not quite the shitshow I was expecting, but it probably needs more time...
I found all I needed in the comments. A great chuckle.
So glad I deleted my account but would love to read the downvoted comments.
From PB-"I just found out about the allegations. And I have to say, I’m not shocked. There was always something about him that rubbed me the wrong way, even when he was seeing some success, I wasn’t stoked."
You see this is the level of informed discourse we should aspire to on here.
Time to get this show on the road
Is it an incel move to discuss an alleged sex crime scandal rather than shove it under the rug?
With no facts, just conjecture and hearsay............lil' bit.
At commencal it was either letting go muc-off or thibault.
It was the smarter decission
I think the “incel” move is more to victim shame/blame and be convinced that all women secretly are wanting to sleep with men and just withhold their sexual favors out of a perverse desire to exercise power over men. At least that seems to be the mindset of the incel community I’ve had the misfortune to interact with. Not sure there’s much of that attitude evidenced at Vital.
If that's true I'd understand.
Not so long ago, Muc-Off seems to already have threatened them to leave, following some... erm... let's say "inapropriate language in a story on IG". From a certain Hulk look-alike rider. Who IS in the Commençal Muc-Off team...
Ah, would that be the story where the black team manager lost his job in the fight against racism?
Nowadays it's a pretty easy crime to prosecute in most of Europe, in fact you just need the word of the victim. That's probably why Canyon packed the bags early. They know if there's a official complaint Daprela is done legally and socially - regardless of whether he's guilty or not
Rape is considered in our society among the most heinous crimes, and the mere allegations can ruin a man's life forever.
As other poster said, the legal french system actively prosecutes these types of crimes in the most earnest way, if Daprela has done anything wrong rest assured he surely would pay for it. In the mean time I think it's best to refrain from throwing such serious accusations to the wind.
It sounds like a a complex story. In https://fullattack.cc/thibaut-daprela-et-canyon-reagissent-a-la-fin-pre…, Thibaut said :
"inherit a particular legal situation following the end of the collaboration with [his] previous team, which was studied with the Canyon legal department. [However, it is] after studying this situation that the decision was taken jointly with Canyon to end the collaboration."
It sounds like we are talking here about some sponsorship conflicts...or what else could it be?.. Even if it's the real reason, it's surprising that the contract situation has not been cleared way earlier or they could not find any amicable solutions with the different parties. Let's say, he is still supposed to ride with some gears, the new team might have been able to buy him out of the contract or to manage something special for him (if Canyon was keen to have him racing on their bike) without cutting all support. There are plenty of examples like Brendog/ Scott, YT mob, Syndicate...
In the same article, he mentioned that he will keep racing on the same equipment as CCLTV anyway.. so If it's not equipment-related I'm not sure what this "particular legal situation"..
Like in the last summer's Red-Bull/100%/Trek/Cade drama, the lack of transparency makes it look bad for everybody involved
I heard that too, I think this case has something to do with Mucoff. It would be good if Commencal explained his departure, since there was no "farewell", that also leaves suspicions because he was with them since junior! A bit of transparency would be good, like "human powered suicide machine" said above. The more information that is withheld, the more speculation there will be! If even I have known about this story since he left Commencal, I can't believe that the people at Canyon didn't know about it too
That's not really backed up by the prosecution/conviction statistics at all.
e.g.:
"According to figures from the French Ministry of Gender Equality, every year in France, 94,000 women report being victims of rape or attempted rape. But in 2021, barely 1 percent of the reported assaults resulted in a conviction."
In the UK it's still extremely hard to get a conviction for rape. I know someone who was drugged then raped, and despite a lot of evidence there was no conviction.
I can imagine in somewhere like France it would be even harder just with what the prevailing attitude towards women and "romance" has traditionally been.
Or the punter from the Bills who had start of his career ruined by accusations. False accusations can be really bad as most the time the story about the accusations are huge and the retraction is a footnote.
I was gonna say that his career was ruined anyway, the moment he joined the Bills, but that's not been true for the past few years has it.
Your post is so misleading that I don't know where to start.
Let's just say that if you are serious about the suit/crime the conviction percentage is highest than 80 easily ( the amount of the ones that go in to trial is higher than 60%). But this is not the place to delve deep into the matter. Let's just say, for the sake of people who doesn't live in west Europe and might be deceived by misleading articles,news, etc that you have to be completely out of the loop or harbour an agenda to believe that, nowadays, rape victims are not well covered by the legal system, they are - and it's hard to imagine how much they could be without breaking the basic premises the western law is based upon
The discussion on cultural aspects of the matter is of course very open and many things need to be improved upon for sure, but legally the victims are well covered, I think this is clear to anyone.
I'm not sure an Mtb forum is really the best venue to argue about rape conviction rates to be honest.
Let me help you with where to start- don't talk about things you have no idea about.
In 2021, more than 30,000 rape reports were filed by women in France. 1,413 convictions were made that year.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103661/rape-on-woman-age-victim-fr…
https://www.statista.com/statistics/940739/convictions-for-rape-in-fran…
You are the one being misleading.
less than 10% of rape actually get reported to the police. The remaining 90% are still rape/SA.
20% of victims don't report to the police because of victim blaming from the aggressor or public discourse.
another 20% of victims don't report to the police because they fear retaliation from the aggressor
And another 15% of victims don't report to the police because they don't believe the police or the judicial systems would be helpful in their case.
Go to bed.
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