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if we're all about conspiracies, there's this too LOL
(i'm kidding. i don't think cascade is behind Mcfadden...if they are, genius!)
Has anyone seen Mcfadden and Cascade Components in the same room?
I feel like this conspiracy has some legs!
But in all seriousness, thanks to CC for making products that offer a great way to experiment with bikes. Never Change.
you started this whole thing in the tech forum alluding to cracked frames, "Right and will they warranty cracks from stress due to custom links?"
come to find out you just don't like the ride feel.
after that, i don't think anyone trust your credibility when you claim they deleted an honest review and you were "nothing but civil"
The great thing about this thread... is instead of getting a product you don't like trashed, you have created massive support for a company by showing that people love the company, love the product, and they have been amazingly supportive. On top of it creeating a discusssion on suspension tunes and helping people make the decision if they want the product or not.
On a seperate note I have their chainguide and honestly it is the simplest, easiest to setup guide ever and worth every penny I paid for it.
phenomenal bunch of guys who love bikes and know exactly what they are doing.
Bud, you are creating one fake account away from qualifying for a job at mullet cycles.
Don’t even get me started on their chainguide for the forbidden, it jammed the chain between the chainring and the guide while i was pedaling backwards. I had to disassemble the chainguide to unstick the chain. Their forbidden bash/chainguide is truly a piece of junk, went back to the stock and no problems since, did buy the mrp but haven’t tried it yet.
I've been happy with the CC link on my tallboy
hoenstly, impressive work on your end there. That had to be some form of an installation error or having the 32t guide when you ran a 30t or or different sized ring. Probably the simplest setup on their guide out of every one that I have done (and i have worked with damn near every guide on the market in the past 20 years).
Again my review was deleted off their website
Really? Why didn't you say so!
Thats a deep cut, haven't heard that name for a while!
I'd delete your whiny comments too props to cascade
Mess with the leverage ratio and what do you think is going to happen? Manufacturers align their frame tolerances to the materials they’re building with.
What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Yeah.... But cat started spouting similar nonsense. The parallels are ripe.
Billy Madison quotes aside…
Cascade gave you a thoughtful response when you first made this allegation in the tech thread and yet you continue to make stuff up with zero proof or clearly articulated engineering reasoning to back it up.
It’s very obvious why they have deleted any and all interactions with you.
To counter: When is the last bike you've seen (outside XC) with a weight limit.
I'll wait...
Per Cane Creek about their Tigon shock:
Cascade links put a massive amount of additional leverage on your frame, shock, & pivots early in the stroke that can accelerate wear and was never thoroughly tested by manufacturer. It also voids frame and shock warranty to use AFM linkage components.
Cane Creek answered on September 22, 2023
Not sure what you’re trying to prove with this. It’s just a general disclaimer about the use of aftermarket components. Read an owner’s manual for a typical bike/frame, they’ll tell you there’s severe consequences if you change your fork travel 10mm.
Since Cane Creek seems to be a trusted source for you, that same page offers the following…
That’s a blanket engineering statement that says if you use non stand links on your bike your warranty will be void. Just like over forking or running a different stroke shock
Lawyers be lawyering
Riders should shut up and do some ridering.
I’m just here to say I have run cascade links on:
v1 megatower, spire, and v4 Bronson. Each link did exactly what it advertised, changed each bike for the better, and if anyone is cascade link curious, I highly recommend snagging one.
I will likely buy a CC link every bike I own down the line that they make a link for. To be completely honest, I might not buy a bike they don’t make a link for.
That being said each shock needed a totally different set up from stock, and I’m fine with that as I love tinkering and have access to a full range of shock service/rebuild tools, so changing shim-stacks is pretty easy for me. Consider this if you aren’t willing to pay for tools, or for someone else to tune your shock. Gotta shout out vorsprung for their tractive tune, I ran their tune on my spire and to this day have never felt better suspension, pretty sure cc+tractive time counts and mechanical doping.
@mcfadden999 Can you do us all a favor and give us some pertinent information regarding your experience?
How much do you weigh? What shock with what settings, and which Tune Id is installed in the shock?
Without this information we're all just old man spraying beta at the clouds.
I am genuinely curious, while I don't personally use a cascade link on my Forbidden, I've probably had the opportunity to set more of these bikes up that your average Joe, and while your experience is not unique, it does seem to have effected you more than most. If your set-up with the Cascade link felt so bad, chances are your shock is not set properly from the jump.
Genuinely trying to help you here, I don't want to feed the trolls so to speak. I hope you're ready for a real conversation.
Reading for the OP:
https://www.singletracks.com/mtb-gear/i-increased-the-rear-travel-and-p…
From the article....
"Bottom line
If you’re on the fence about getting one, just know that you’ll want to do a lot of experimenting with air pressure adjustments, volume reducers, and shock settings. If you are more of a set it and forget it type of rider, then this linkage might cause you more headaches than anything. A lot of patience is required, especially if you will be attempting to install it yourself at home."
Had no problems with the stock fox float x2 until I put the cascade link on. Suspension really isn’t that complicated, just back off the compression if there’s harshness, unfortunately no setting would yield a good ride quality on the cascade link. I think the progressivity is just too high.
In my experience, suspension is wildly complicated. Often times the correct response to a problem is the opposite of your first instinct. Sometimes if your suspension feels harsh, the correct response is adding compression. Other times, if a shock feels harsh, it means your fork is too soft. Other times it's your shock's rebound or spring rate. And sometimes it's bar height or tire pressure. A lot of variables, local maximums, and statistical noise.
This is entirely untrue. Adding compression to keep to shock higher in its travel will often solve the feeling of harshness. With too little compression, you start to bounce off you rebound control and ride a "packed in" shock.
Not my experience, the Kitsuma is a really good shock for this since it lets you fuck up royally and then correct it
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