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TimBud
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11/11/2023 5:50am Edited Date/Time 11/11/2023 6:09am

Can we have another thread where we get semantic with kinematics.

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11/11/2023 6:23am
chriskief wrote:
Looks like Fox has published part info for their 2024 forks. New Grip2 valving. Upgrade kit will be available. https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&listall=partlist

Looks like Fox has published part info for their 2024 forks. New Grip2 valving. Upgrade kit will be available.

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https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&listall=partlist

No mention of the LMT damper/tune tho (it was mentioned in a Dialed episode this season).

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11/11/2023 7:11am
dolface wrote:

No mention of the LMT damper/tune tho (it was mentioned in a Dialed episode this season).

Engineering diagrams show a revised compression stack.

2021-2023

820-03-660-KIT 0

2024

820-03-716-KIT.jpg?VersionId=VhIXtCoF.PtVzO15

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11/11/2023 10:18am
chriskief wrote:
Engineering diagrams show a revised compression stack. 2021-2023 2024

Engineering diagrams show a revised compression stack.

2021-2023

820-03-660-KIT 0

2024

820-03-716-KIT.jpg?VersionId=VhIXtCoF.PtVzO15

It might even offer some compression damping this time.

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11/11/2023 11:16am
TimBud wrote:

Can we have another thread where we get semantic with kinematics.

Started one so that we can keep the derailment to a minimum. 

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11/11/2023 4:38pm
chriskief wrote:
Engineering diagrams show a revised compression stack. 2021-2023 2024

Engineering diagrams show a revised compression stack.

2021-2023

820-03-660-KIT 0

2024

820-03-716-KIT.jpg?VersionId=VhIXtCoF.PtVzO15

Jakub_G wrote:

It might even offer some compression damping this time.

Nah, we can just create support with spring force, like always. Or when in doubt, more tokens

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11/12/2023 2:05am

 

New Michelin Wild Enduros? Looks much less mud tyre-esque than the last one - IMO that's what made these so good though (especially here in the UK) so hopefully the previous design won't be discontinued, maybe re-named?

Looks very similar to their Wild AM2

IMG 4465IMG 4466IMG 4467

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11/12/2023 2:23am
  New Michelin Wild Enduros? Looks much less mud tyre-esque than the last one - IMO that's what made these so good though (especially here in...

 

New Michelin Wild Enduros? Looks much less mud tyre-esque than the last one - IMO that's what made these so good though (especially here in the UK) so hopefully the previous design won't be discontinued, maybe re-named?

Looks very similar to their Wild AM2

IMG 4465IMG 4466IMG 4467

Michelin is still doing the racing line version as well. 

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11/13/2023 12:57am

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

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11/13/2023 1:58pm
Evil96 wrote:

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

galfer doesn't make brakes?

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11/14/2023 8:53am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2023 8:57am

 

p5pb25862566

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-smarter-built-in-shockwiz-on-forks-and-shocks.html

I knew this one coming, it felt like Shockwiz and Flight Attendant were both Proof of Concept products before they would be combined and integrated into suspension products.  

Going out on a limb here...I could see the future of this tied to your Garmin/GPS computer, the same way I download Routes from RidewithGPS or Trail Forks and load them on my Garmin before I ride new trail systems, you'll also be able to download settings/tune for a specific trail.  

In the AXS app, you'll program in your height, weight, frame, wheel size, tires, and riding style.  The ShockWiz will adjust your fork and shock in real time based on the trail you're riding.  Rocky upper section of a trail -  It'll adjust instantly to the optimal settings, flowy middle section - it adds compression damping so you can pump and jump,  short punchy climb at the end - suspension adjusts so you can power up it without hitting a lockout lever or hitting a Pedal switch on the shock.  

I'm sure Sram will collect Data (it's all about that Data!) from riders through the App based on speed, weight, frame kinematics, number of times you bottom out etc.  And will constantly update the "tunes" that you can download.  I could also see the App having a little questionnaire after you do a run, "Did that run feel harsh?"  "How did the suspension feel over rocks?"

If everything is connected through the App it would essentially make every user a Test Rider, they could use the mountains of Data to improve their products without having to pay a single person, in fact, users would pay for the product and also be the Beta Testers.   

 

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11/14/2023 2:07pm
  https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-smarter-built-in-shockwiz-on-forks-and-shocks.html I knew this one coming, it felt like Shockwiz and Flight Attendant were both Proof of Concept products before they would be combined and...

 

p5pb25862566

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-smarter-built-in-shockwiz-on-forks-and-shocks.html

I knew this one coming, it felt like Shockwiz and Flight Attendant were both Proof of Concept products before they would be combined and integrated into suspension products.  

Going out on a limb here...I could see the future of this tied to your Garmin/GPS computer, the same way I download Routes from RidewithGPS or Trail Forks and load them on my Garmin before I ride new trail systems, you'll also be able to download settings/tune for a specific trail.  

In the AXS app, you'll program in your height, weight, frame, wheel size, tires, and riding style.  The ShockWiz will adjust your fork and shock in real time based on the trail you're riding.  Rocky upper section of a trail -  It'll adjust instantly to the optimal settings, flowy middle section - it adds compression damping so you can pump and jump,  short punchy climb at the end - suspension adjusts so you can power up it without hitting a lockout lever or hitting a Pedal switch on the shock.  

I'm sure Sram will collect Data (it's all about that Data!) from riders through the App based on speed, weight, frame kinematics, number of times you bottom out etc.  And will constantly update the "tunes" that you can download.  I could also see the App having a little questionnaire after you do a run, "Did that run feel harsh?"  "How did the suspension feel over rocks?"

If everything is connected through the App it would essentially make every user a Test Rider, they could use the mountains of Data to improve their products without having to pay a single person, in fact, users would pay for the product and also be the Beta Testers.   

 

Now for a coil shock with a built-in linear encoder

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Primoz
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11/14/2023 3:01pm

Or a pressure sensor in the ifp chamber? 

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11/15/2023 1:52am
Evil96 wrote:

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

jamesma wrote:

galfer doesn't make brakes?

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

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Evil96 wrote:

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

jamesma wrote:

galfer doesn't make brakes?

Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

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11/15/2023 6:21am
jamesma wrote:

galfer doesn't make brakes?

Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

jsray wrote:
Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever.  Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend...

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I missing?

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11/15/2023 6:25am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2023 6:55am
Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

jsray wrote:
Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever.  Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend...

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

dolface wrote:
So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I...

So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I missing?

It has a pretty “G” on the side of the caliper. At least 10 braking* horsepower added in with that. Its impressive really

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11/15/2023 6:33am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2023 6:43am

It has a pretty “G” on the side of the caliper. At least 10 braking* horsepower added in with that. Its impressive really

Hows the G gonna break stuff, weak point/stress riser?

Edit: nm, got it; "braking". Need more coffee...

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11/15/2023 6:56am
dolface wrote:

Hows the G gonna break stuff, weak point/stress riser?

Edit: nm, got it; "braking". Need more coffee...

Yeah I just fixed that… I need more coffee too I guess. 🤷‍♂️

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11/15/2023 6:59am

ain't nothin but a G thang

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intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.

 

INTENSE M1 Grey BackgroundScreenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.18Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.29Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.39Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.49Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.55

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TimBud
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11/15/2023 7:53am

Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that on his socials all along. 

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TimBud
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11/15/2023 8:55am

What do you call those other 2 bits then Silly

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11/15/2023 10:04am
Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

jsray wrote:
Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever.  Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend...

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

dolface wrote:
So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I...

So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I missing?

I think this might also be a case of internal floating piston in place of a diaphragm.

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11/15/2023 10:04am
TimBud wrote:
Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that...

Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that on his socials all along. 

Sneaky. Went through Instagram posts and it indeed looks like Jeff has been saying that for the whole time, yeah...

Technically correct I guess. 6-link 4-bar...
@FullSend I get what you're trying to say, but... Linkage driven single pivot Tongue

11/15/2023 3:00pm
TimBud wrote:
Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that...

Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that on his socials all along. 

certainly a better line than, its the same as the spec enduro, but high pivot!

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11/15/2023 4:14pm
sspomer wrote:
intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.  

intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.

 

INTENSE M1 Grey BackgroundScreenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.18Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.29Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.39Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.49Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.55

Official but no price or geo. Is that really official? I wish they would at least give the damn geo already. 

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11/15/2023 5:31pm
Primoz wrote:

Or a pressure sensor in the ifp chamber? 

Would a combination of both be able to tell you anything about how efficiently the damper is operating?

11/15/2023 7:08pm

88x2048

 

Interesting shock that Dario is running on his Frameworks enduro rig. 

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