RAAW retrofit kit to upgrade Jib and Madonna to make there bikes compatible with the new standard. I like this about RAAW, not making you buy a new bike to upgrade to a new standard but just selling the part to be able to upgrade it if you want, I think this is a good way to develop brand loyalty.
RAAW retrofit kit to upgrade Jib and Madonna to make there bikes compatible with the new standard. I like this about RAAW, not making you buy...
RAAW retrofit kit to upgrade Jib and Madonna to make there bikes compatible with the new standard. I like this about RAAW, not making you buy a new bike to upgrade to a new standard but just selling the part to be able to upgrade it if you want, I think this is a good way to develop brand loyalty.
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound damping and space restriction.
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound...
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound damping and space restriction.
Why do you assume he can only have poppet valves in there?
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound...
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound damping and space restriction.
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound...
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound damping and space restriction.
Seems like a small valve for that... but I know the guys at vorsprung can perform magic, so I'm sure it'll be great
Not all "poppets" are equal. You can design a valve to fit the same space, that resembles a poppet valve but isn't digressive to the same degree as an X2 or CCDB shock. See the cone valve/spool valve discussion a few pages back. The design of the main piston makes a difference too - a large, solid (or close to) piston driving a ton of oil will tend more towards digressive, but a smaller piston with progressive opening shims will be more linear.
Either way, you can make different valves with wildly varying damping rates, and for different reasons so its best not to judge them on face value
From the associated interview: " What sets my bike apart from all others is the purple twin tube adjustable coil shock. This is something I was super excited to develop with Cornelius (Intend) as part of my master thesis. It didn’t make it to production though so now I am riding the only one of its kind and us it as the perfect suspension development platform."
From the associated interview: " What sets my bike apart from all others is the purple twin tube adjustable coil shock. This is something I was super...
From the associated interview: " What sets my bike apart from all others is the purple twin tube adjustable coil shock. This is something I was super excited to develop with Cornelius (Intend) as part of my master thesis. It didn’t make it to production though so now I am riding the only one of its kind and us it as the perfect suspension development platform."
From the associated interview: " What sets my bike apart from all others is the purple twin tube adjustable coil shock. This is something I was super...
From the associated interview: " What sets my bike apart from all others is the purple twin tube adjustable coil shock. This is something I was super excited to develop with Cornelius (Intend) as part of my master thesis. It didn’t make it to production though so now I am riding the only one of its kind and us it as the perfect suspension development platform."
I hope they release it with both trunnion and normal mounts on the shock! I love my EXT and I've used it for soon 5 years over 3 bikes because the tune, stroke and eye to eye can be changed. But It has me choosing frames with only normal mounts because of it.
Article up on the other site about a new Specialized patent for the "Under Bottom Bracket" linkage seen on the new Demo, represented by a 172mm bike that sure looks like it could reasonably be the next Enduro. Overall the information they give (some examples of anti-rise, anti-squat, and leverage rate with 5 different upper link positions/sizes) is basically right in line with newer trends of moderate progression, but there was an interesting bit halfway down the article about anti-rise:
“Changes can be made to the design of the brake mount and/or the rear braking system that attaches to the brake mount to cause the rear braking system to be positioned differently with respect to the seat stay member, but to still move or rotate with the seat stay member. These changes can result in adjustments to or tuning of the anti-rise characteristics of the suspension system.”
Is this referring to some sort of floating brake mount? The only thing I can imagine that would affect anti-rise characteristics within the wording of this section (particularly "still move or rotate with the seat stay member") is something like what Eminent did on the first AFS models (seen below).
Article up on the other site about a new Specialized patent for the "Under Bottom Bracket" linkage seen on the new Demo, represented by a 172mm...
Article up on the other site about a new Specialized patent for the "Under Bottom Bracket" linkage seen on the new Demo, represented by a 172mm bike that sure looks like it could reasonably be the next Enduro. Overall the information they give (some examples of anti-rise, anti-squat, and leverage rate with 5 different upper link positions/sizes) is basically right in line with newer trends of moderate progression, but there was an interesting bit halfway down the article about anti-rise:
“Changes can be made to the design of the brake mount and/or the rear braking system that attaches to the brake mount to cause the rear braking system to be positioned differently with respect to the seat stay member, but to still move or rotate with the seat stay member. These changes can result in adjustments to or tuning of the anti-rise characteristics of the suspension system.”
Is this referring to some sort of floating brake mount? The only thing I can imagine that would affect anti-rise characteristics within the wording of this section (particularly "still move or rotate with the seat stay member") is something like what Eminent did on the first AFS models (seen below).
I'm certainly no patent expert, but it made me think... Could this Specialized UBB patent infringe on Knolly's 4x4? Obviously a different layout, but they're essentially the same: Horst link with a secondary linkage driving a shock.
I'm certainly no patent expert, but it made me think... Could this Specialized UBB patent infringe on Knolly's 4x4? Obviously a different layout, but they're essentially...
I'm certainly no patent expert, but it made me think... Could this Specialized UBB patent infringe on Knolly's 4x4? Obviously a different layout, but they're essentially the same: Horst link with a secondary linkage driving a shock.
I don't know anything about Knolly's patents other than the one about the seat tube meeting the down tube at a certain angle above the BB (which was in conflict with Intense a few years ago), but in the UBB system the shock linkage is driven by the chainstay/lower link, instead of the upper rocker link.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork in a "new article today? And Kazimer defending the decision to publish is utterly ridiculous.
Companies might want to re-thing where they put ad revenue. An honest review is one thing. Taking a bat to a company a year later?
Let's be honest, DVO stuff is just hot garbage, if they no longer existed tomorrow no one would miss them. For the last 3 years they were saying no one needed a 38mm stanchioned fork, now apparently everyone needs one.
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork...
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork in a "new article today? And Kazimer defending the decision to publish is utterly ridiculous.
Companies might want to re-thing where they put ad revenue. An honest review is one thing. Taking a bat to a company a year later?
Fork was sent in 2022, so likely a 2023 model. Oh gosh a year beyond release on a fork that’s still widely available to consumers, how utterly ridiculous for Seb to write about its shortcomings as a heavier rider. Who hurt you.
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork...
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork in a "new article today? And Kazimer defending the decision to publish is utterly ridiculous.
Companies might want to re-thing where they put ad revenue. An honest review is one thing. Taking a bat to a company a year later?
Fork was sent in 2022, so likely a 2023 model. Oh gosh a year beyond release on a fork that’s still widely available to consumers, how...
Fork was sent in 2022, so likely a 2023 model. Oh gosh a year beyond release on a fork that’s still widely available to consumers, how utterly ridiculous for Seb to write about its shortcomings as a heavier rider. Who hurt you.
That fork has definitely had some strange issues over time all of which DVO have solved for me at no cost. The weird part for me is that fork has been out almost 6 years and pinkbike choose to give it their only review a month after the new one is released. They must really dislike DVO haha
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork...
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork in a "new article today? And Kazimer defending the decision to publish is utterly ridiculous.
Companies might want to re-thing where they put ad revenue. An honest review is one thing. Taking a bat to a company a year later?
It sounds like he didn’t have a great experience with the fork, and had a job to do. Which is to write about his experience.
Until Fox dropped the 38 and then the rest of the sheep followed. At least the 38 has some great parts, the air spring been one. The Zeb has in 2023 a terrible air spring and now a terrible damper and let's be honest the DVO will just be all round shit with appalling QC, a crap damper and an even worse air spring.
Does anyone remember Paul Astons experience with DVO? Jesus that fork was worse than an entry level Suntour, who make and assemble everything for DVO. DVO blamed all the issues on Covid and them not been able to get to Taiwan to over see assembly. Well what was happening in the years before Covid when the product was still hit or miss? Hell the damper seal head has been crap and sticky since the Diamond. Oh BTW what you need is a 38mm fork.....
Does anyone remember Paul Astons experience with DVO? Jesus that fork was worse than an entry level Suntour, who make and assemble everything for DVO. DVO...
Does anyone remember Paul Astons experience with DVO? Jesus that fork was worse than an entry level Suntour, who make and assemble everything for DVO. DVO blamed all the issues on Covid and them not been able to get to Taiwan to over see assembly. Well what was happening in the years before Covid when the product was still hit or miss? Hell the damper seal head has been crap and sticky since the Diamond. Oh BTW what you need is a 38mm fork.....
Personally from what I have seen the quality is hit and miss. If it was assembled right, performance is fine and will do most everything a Zeb or 38 can. Maybe not better, but it's something you can trust.
As far as Aston goes, even when he's right he sounds like a crying baby. "If DVO doesn't like this article send me $4000 worth of suspension for no charge, I'll keep one after testing it and sell the other"
RAAW retrofit kit to upgrade Jib and Madonna to make there bikes compatible with the new standard. I like this about RAAW, not making you buy a new bike to upgrade to a new standard but just selling the part to be able to upgrade it if you want, I think this is a good way to develop brand loyalty.
https://raawmtb.com/en-ca/collections/parts/products/seatstay-udh
Vorsprung shock
Maybe already covered but Also seems like a v3 madonna on the way, but maybe it’ll just be subtle upgrades like the t type mount etc.
https://raawmtb.com/pages/madonna-v3
That's odd, I thought Steve recently said on a podcast he didn't like the poppetvalve layout of the Fox DHX2 etc, because of the digressive rebound damping and space restriction.
Why do you assume he can only have poppet valves in there?
Seems like a small valve for that... but I know the guys at vorsprung can perform magic, so I'm sure it'll be great
Not all "poppets" are equal. You can design a valve to fit the same space, that resembles a poppet valve but isn't digressive to the same degree as an X2 or CCDB shock. See the cone valve/spool valve discussion a few pages back. The design of the main piston makes a difference too - a large, solid (or close to) piston driving a ton of oil will tend more towards digressive, but a smaller piston with progressive opening shims will be more linear.
Either way, you can make different valves with wildly varying damping rates, and for different reasons so its best not to judge them on face value
New coil shock from Intend in the works?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyvLifFt6Jp/?img_index=2
From the associated interview: " What sets my bike apart from all others is the purple twin tube adjustable coil shock. This is something I was super excited to develop with Cornelius (Intend) as part of my master thesis. It didn’t make it to production though so now I am riding the only one of its kind and us it as the perfect suspension development platform."
https://trickstuff.de/rides-of-trickstuff-episode-8/
Yep, saw that after. Got a little too excited there for a second.
I feel like I've come across that paper somewhere too, those are always interesting!
oh yeah here it is - https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1609691/FULLTEXT01.pdf
They need better steel for their springs, what a piece of shit. If they cant source a good spring I bet the rest is junk.
Whoa, didn't even see there's an adjustable collar in there to adjust the spring stiffness. Cool idea! Integrated Sprindex approach.
I hope they release it with both trunnion and normal mounts on the shock! I love my EXT and I've used it for soon 5 years over 3 bikes because the tune, stroke and eye to eye can be changed. But It has me choosing frames with only normal mounts because of it.
Article up on the other site about a new Specialized patent for the "Under Bottom Bracket" linkage seen on the new Demo, represented by a 172mm bike that sure looks like it could reasonably be the next Enduro. Overall the information they give (some examples of anti-rise, anti-squat, and leverage rate with 5 different upper link positions/sizes) is basically right in line with newer trends of moderate progression, but there was an interesting bit halfway down the article about anti-rise:
“Changes can be made to the design of the brake mount and/or the rear braking system that attaches to the brake mount to cause the rear braking system to be positioned differently with respect to the seat stay member, but to still move or rotate with the seat stay member. These changes can result in adjustments to or tuning of the anti-rise characteristics of the suspension system.”
Is this referring to some sort of floating brake mount? The only thing I can imagine that would affect anti-rise characteristics within the wording of this section (particularly "still move or rotate with the seat stay member") is something like what Eminent did on the first AFS models (seen below).
I would say yes. Though I would prefer to use linkages and rotating bushes, not a sliding support like Eminent did it...
If I was guessing, BFRC style but with separated valves instead of back to back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKfB7QKVFzU
I'm certainly no patent expert, but it made me think... Could this Specialized UBB patent infringe on Knolly's 4x4? Obviously a different layout, but they're essentially the same: Horst link with a secondary linkage driving a shock.
I don't know anything about Knolly's patents other than the one about the seat tube meeting the down tube at a certain angle above the BB (which was in conflict with Intense a few years ago), but in the UBB system the shock linkage is driven by the chainstay/lower link, instead of the upper rocker link.
This has to do with "Old" tech.
Anyone have any ideas as to why PinkBike took and deliberately shit all over DVO's out of production fork in a "new article today? And Kazimer defending the decision to publish is utterly ridiculous.
Companies might want to re-thing where they put ad revenue. An honest review is one thing. Taking a bat to a company a year later?
PB doing PB things.
I’ve never paid any attention to any if their reviews anyway. Kazimer’s response just backs it up even more
Let's be honest, DVO stuff is just hot garbage, if they no longer existed tomorrow no one would miss them. For the last 3 years they were saying no one needed a 38mm stanchioned fork, now apparently everyone needs one.
Everyone has said no one needed a 38mm fork…
Fork was sent in 2022, so likely a 2023 model. Oh gosh a year beyond release on a fork that’s still widely available to consumers, how utterly ridiculous for Seb to write about its shortcomings as a heavier rider. Who hurt you.
That fork has definitely had some strange issues over time all of which DVO have solved for me at no cost. The weird part for me is that fork has been out almost 6 years and pinkbike choose to give it their only review a month after the new one is released. They must really dislike DVO haha
It sounds like he didn’t have a great experience with the fork, and had a job to do. Which is to write about his experience.
DVO has got interesting concepts, but from the other article I agree with Seb. Hope the 38 air version help the drawbacks to OTT.
Until Fox dropped the 38 and then the rest of the sheep followed. At least the 38 has some great parts, the air spring been one. The Zeb has in 2023 a terrible air spring and now a terrible damper and let's be honest the DVO will just be all round shit with appalling QC, a crap damper and an even worse air spring.
Does anyone remember Paul Astons experience with DVO? Jesus that fork was worse than an entry level Suntour, who make and assemble everything for DVO. DVO blamed all the issues on Covid and them not been able to get to Taiwan to over see assembly. Well what was happening in the years before Covid when the product was still hit or miss? Hell the damper seal head has been crap and sticky since the Diamond. Oh BTW what you need is a 38mm fork.....
Personally from what I have seen the quality is hit and miss. If it was assembled right, performance is fine and will do most everything a Zeb or 38 can. Maybe not better, but it's something you can trust.
As far as Aston goes, even when he's right he sounds like a crying baby. "If DVO doesn't like this article send me $4000 worth of suspension for no charge, I'll keep one after testing it and sell the other"